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Contract offer does not cover rent deposit?

 
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bassist33



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Mok-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:23 am    Post subject: Contract offer does not cover rent deposit? Reply with quote

Hi guys!

I'm working with recruiters and searching for my own jobs in search of the best job possible in the Seoul area. We'll see how I do. I have received my first contract offer and it stipulates that I must pay 300,000 won three times for a security deposit (is this referred to as key money in Canada?)

Is this common practice or do the schools usually cover this cost? If not, this seems like a major cost that I have not become aware of from reading all the posts I've sifted through here.

Should I ask for this cost covered? Any advice is welcome!

Thanks!
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's NOT a cost, it's a deposit. You are supposed to get it back. I have done the same. I will see if they give it back in a couple months if I don't stay with them.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some jobs ask for a security deposit but certainly not all. Its not a "cost" in that its meant to be returned to you. If all your other research on a position suggests its on the up & up, this isnt necessarily a big cause of concern. Its not the landlord asking for this, its the employer.

Nothing to do with key money. Thats a large lump of cash, from a few to many millions of won, also fully refundable, put down to secure a place. That only affects people looking to arrange their own accommodation.
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bassist33



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Mok-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that it is not necessarily a "cost" in the sense that you "should" get it returned to you, but it is a "cost" when considering the many "costs" of relocating to another country. I finally got the search function to work with more than one word and was able to come up with this quote in the contract review post:

"*Give them a super emphatic "HELL NO!" when asking for housing deposits from each of the first 3 paychecks. "

This is a difference of $700+ between different contracts and would seem to be a major concern if you ask me. I'm not sure if this fact has been discussed elsewhere, but it should be something that all new-comers should be made aware of. Thanks for your replies!
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bassist, the "housing deposit" of 300,000 per month for 3 months is almost Universal with public schools. So if your school is a public school, don't sweat it at all.

If it's a private school/hagwon, I'd do my research and make sure it's a reputable institution, as often that money goes towards multiple "penalties" if the contract is broken and you may only see a fraction of it back.

It's not really a cost of relocating, as it comes if your paycheck and you don't have to front the money. And yes, it has been discussed before on these boards...many, many many times Very Happy
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bassist33



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure it has been discussed, but a search doesn't exactly yield the desired results. Another interesting post from the same thread quoted before:

"The Instructor will pay the Center a 300,000-won security deposit for the apartment provided by the Center. This deposit will be deducted from the Instructor�s salary on the second month of the Instructor�s contract period, and upon completion of the Instructor�s period of employment, the security deposit will be refunded to the Instructor minus any outstanding monthly bills or any expenses for repairs beyond normal wear and tear to the apartment.

If you ask them to remove this deposit from your contract, they have to. Korean Courts, from my research, have ruled this as a penalty clause when they haven't removed it from the contract. In other words, NO TO SECURITY DEPOSITS. "

Anyone want to comment on the validity of this statement?
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polonius



Joined: 05 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassist33 wrote:
I'm sure it has been discussed, but a search doesn't exactly yield the desired results. Another interesting post from the same thread quoted before:

"The Instructor will pay the Center a 300,000-won security deposit for the apartment provided by the Center. This deposit will be deducted from the Instructor�s salary on the second month of the Instructor�s contract period, and upon completion of the Instructor�s period of employment, the security deposit will be refunded to the Instructor minus any outstanding monthly bills or any expenses for repairs beyond normal wear and tear to the apartment.

If you ask them to remove this deposit from your contract, they have to. Korean Courts, from my research, have ruled this as a penalty clause when they haven't removed it from the contract. In other words, NO TO SECURITY DEPOSITS. "

Anyone want to comment on the validity of this statement?


Years ago, and I mean 7 years ago, many people were up in arms about these housing deposits, stating as you said that they are penalty clauses. However, it is now the norm. Part of the reason is that bills for the apartment come 1 month late, and you are not here to pay those bills. It is technically not the school's responsibility to pay the bills.

I think 900,000 is steep, but if I am not mistaken, that is what many of the public schools are taking. Another reason this was implemented is that there are many people who would come over here and rack up huge bills and not pay them. (part of the reason SK asks foreigners to put down 200,000 won if they want a contract phone, also why many credit card companies won't give foreigners Credit cards.)

Our hagwon asks for 500,000 deposit. After the bills are all paid up, we wire the money to their home account, or Korean account if they are still here.

Oh, and by the way, if you ask them to take the clause out, they will move on to the next candidate.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassist33 wrote:
I'm sure it has been discussed, but a search doesn't exactly yield the desired results. Another interesting post from the same thread quoted before:

"The Instructor will pay the Center a 300,000-won security deposit for the apartment provided by the Center. This deposit will be deducted from the Instructor�s salary on the second month of the Instructor�s contract period, and upon completion of the Instructor�s period of employment, the security deposit will be refunded to the Instructor minus any outstanding monthly bills or any expenses for repairs beyond normal wear and tear to the apartment.

If you ask them to remove this deposit from your contract, they have to. Korean Courts, from my research, have ruled this as a penalty clause when they haven't removed it from the contract. In other words, NO TO SECURITY DEPOSITS. "

Anyone want to comment on the validity of this statement?



Regarding your statement in bold, you are correct. However, they also have the choice not to hire you, and hire someone else who will agree to that contract.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korea, housing deposit is the runner's deposit.
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Misera



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Contract offer does not cover rent deposit? Reply with quote

bassist33 wrote:
Hi guys!
Is this common practice or do the schools usually cover this cost? If not, this seems like a major cost that I have not become aware of from reading all the posts I've sifted through here.



It's a common practice for all public schools..... If you're just looking for a reason to give them to not pay it, you won't really find a good one. There probably hasn't been many that haven't gotten the full amount back (that haven't done anything to the apartment, skipped bills, had a reason for the school to deduct..) so newcomers do search for it, but don't find much because it really is a deposit that you get back. The amount you earn in the first month should be enough to cover any "cost" you incur from moving here. It's hard to blow around 2k in one month when the apartment rent and much else is provided for you.
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