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Anyone else notice a shortage of public trash bins?
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sakamuras



Joined: 21 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:01 am    Post subject: Anyone else notice a shortage of public trash bins? Reply with quote

Too many times, I'm stuck holding an empty coffee cup or soda can, searching for a waste bin while walking in Seoul.

Although I see the locals just leave it on a ledge somewhere, where it will magically disappear by next morning, I guess my litter-free inner-self keeps me from engaging in such practices.

Anyone know what the deal is with the lack of public trash bins?
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CA-NA-DA-ABC



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess since people are required to buy pre-paid garbage bags, the concern is too many people will go "midnight dumping" on public garbage bins.
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Snake Doctor



Joined: 14 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were tons of public trash bins around Seoul in the 90's, but around 2000 they were taken away because people would leave bags of trash around them, not in them (overflow) and they caused an eyesore.

The street sweepers come around in the early morning hours and pick up trash. I guess they figured it's better to do it that way and hope people take their trash home with them - but they don't. Old habits die hard.
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When in Rome... dump all your trash out in the streets.. and then wonder why you shoes are so dirty you have to take them off before entering your house
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flakfizer



Joined: 12 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are plenty of public garbage bins in Korea. There's Seoul, Daegu, Incheon...

OK, that was a bit mean, but there is a trash problem and I recall an article in one of the papers here where a mom saw her boy litter, had him pick up the piece of trash he threw down, and him carry it until they came to a bin. She wanted to show him that it is no hassle to hold on to your trash until you come to a trash bin. She said they didn't come to one until after 2 hours of walking.
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kiwiduncan



Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I've got my man-bag with me I just put my rubbish in it (often inside a plastic bag) then take it home with me.

On a related note, I understand the Lee Myung Bak administration overturned the 50w deposit law for takeaway coffee cups etc a couple of years ago in an effort to revive the economy but are some businesses still operating a cup deposit/fund system?
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CA-NA-DA-ABC wrote:
I guess since people are required to buy pre-paid garbage bags, the concern is too many people will go "midnight dumping" on public garbage bins.



Yup... and it all took place around 2002-2003. At least that's when I remember the subway garbage cans and outdoor random city garbage cans disappearing. They started charginig for bags, and in protest, people started putting their garbage in public bins -- making hills of garbage. The ham-fisted gov't response was to take away all of the bins. So people just threw their garbage on the ground. It's much cleaner these days, but for a while, it was pretty bad.

Of course, the gov't took advantage of the terrorism thing to say that's really why they got rid of the subway garbage cans anyplace but at the turnstile area. Someone might leave a bomb in the garbage bin. Yeah, right. As if they couldn't just leave a bomb in a bag somewhere.

Still pisses me off to no end when they don't have a place to throw garbage away.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

many koreans say they're worried about bombs. most subway stations I've been in have at least one garbage can.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
many koreans say they're worried about bombs. most subway stations I've been in have at least one garbage can.


Which is an improvement! It was just in the past year or two that LMB made an initiative to put more garbage cans in the subway. What you see now is actually an improvement over what is was like in years past.

Bottom line -- Korea needs more garbage cans. There is no real excuse.
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dalem



Joined: 30 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, i never fully did understand what's with the 'paying for garbage bags' thing. Is it like a tax for garbage that takes up room in the landfill? I can see that landfill being GIGANTIC, with a large city like Seoul. What do they do with all that garbage??? If it's a tax, i can understand it. I don't understand why people protested that tax... it seems logical to me?
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its brilliant!. Garbage is dropped on ground, garbage eventualy is washed down storm water drains. Garbage ends up in ocean. Washes up on beaches in Japan and China.
That will teach those pesky Chinese and Japanese.
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:09 pm    Post subject: Garbage Bins Reply with quote

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Someone might leave a bomb in the garbage bin.


That's exactly what happened in Bangkok, on News Years Eve 2006, when I was there. Some of the 9 bombs were left in public garbage bins. Not as far fetched, as it at first seems. In response, the Thai Government removed most of the public garbage bins.

But whether any disgruntled/ mentally disturbed Koreans, or terrorists, would follow a similar strategy in Korea, remains to be seen.
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saw6436



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon, ROK

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind paying for garbage bags. What pisses me off is the "food recyling" and all the work involved with that. It costs the K govt' , W14,000 per ton to process the food waste into animal feed and fertilizer. It costs them W7,000 a ton to dump it into the Sea of Japan. Something like 800,000 tons were dumped last year alone.

After reading about that, I just take a f**k-em attitude. my recycling days are over. I dump my trash in the general area set aside by our apt complex. I never separate it.

Can't figure out why K doesn't use prisoners to sort garbage like is done in my home state. Gives the convicts something to do. Saves John Q Public time and energy. Saves the govt' money. Win-win for everyone.
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kg2095



Joined: 23 May 2009
Location: Hwaseong City

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
many koreans say they're worried about bombs. most subway stations I've been in have at least one garbage can.
That's what I assumed was the reason.

Trash cans were removed from all rail stations in Sydney at the time of the 2000 Olympic Games due to concerns about terrorists using them to hide bombs. We still have no bins on Sydney rail stations to this day so most people leave their rubbish on the train.

I supposed trash cans were done away with here for similar reasons.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dalem wrote:
Yeah, i never fully did understand what's with the 'paying for garbage bags' thing. Is it like a tax for garbage that takes up room in the landfill? I can see that landfill being GIGANTIC, with a large city like Seoul. What do they do with all that garbage??? If it's a tax, i can understand it. I don't understand why people protested that tax... it seems logical to me?
yes its a tax to pay for the garbage service.
We do it in Canada. Depending on where you live you have to separate your garbage and in many places they use special bags which you need to buy at the grocery store.
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