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tuna007az



Joined: 18 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:41 am    Post subject: MA vs BA Reply with quote

Was up ...hope everyone is doing well in the land of morning calm. I am currently in NJ who is attennding his final year in school. I was wondering if it is in my best interest to get my Ma in TESOL or just ocme over and get my feet wet. Personally i think it is better to get my MA so i know what i am doing just wanna hear some advice. Also i am currently taking the language to help adjust anyone do like -wise// WHo craves a philly cheese steak there Idea Idea
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum. If you can get your MA, then do it. You could get a better job for more pay and more vacation time. It would be worth the extra time you spend in school.
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waterbaby



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long will it take to complete your MA? I can see advantages for doing it now, but I can also see advantages for taking a year out for some experience first Confused Listen to your instincts.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:34 am    Post subject: Re: MA vs BA Reply with quote

tuna007az wrote:
Was up ...hope everyone is doing well in the land of morning calm. I am currently in NJ who is attennding his final year in school. I was wondering if it is in my best interest to get my Ma in TESOL or just ocme over and get my feet wet. Personally i think it is better to get my MA so i know what i am doing just wanna hear some advice. Also i am currently taking the language to help adjust anyone do like -wise// WHo craves a philly cheese steak there Idea Idea


Is it a two year masters program? Do you have other teaching experience? Do you want to teach adults or kids? If I were you, and I didn't know what I wanted, I'd take a 1 month TEFL or CELTA course, and then try my hand.

I'm sure a masters degree would be great, but it would go to waste in most hagwons, which is the majority of the job market.

ggood luck
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tuna007az



Joined: 18 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the most it will take 2 yrs tops hopefully but i want to get it done maybe in ayear if ican. I do not have any teaching experience but right now i am planning to have an esl internship at my school. I am a sociology major so i fgured it would be better to get it. I do worry though that i will recieve a job in a hagwon and it is true my ma will not matter but we will see thank for the feed back and eat a dman cheese steak

The fool wanders, a wise man travels
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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tuna,

Since you've no teaching experience, I would hold off on paying so much money and time for something you may end up not utilising. Many of us wanderlust edumakators aren't in it for the long-haul, so such a degree is nearly pointless. I would try out the field to make sure you think you can do this for many years to come.

In addition, after X number of years of experience, writing your thesis will be much easier. Also, you need to choose a program that has professors that are knowledgeable in your field....in my state, only 1 university has a professor that can really guide me in my interests, and for me, that is important.

Shoosh!

Ryst
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, come over to Asia and look for a job.

Then, after you have a few thousand dollars saved up, contact one of the Australian universities (e.g. University of Southern Queensland).

Apply for admission to an M.A. Education, Applied Linguistics or TESOL program. These degrees do not require a thesis and can be completed within a year and a half while you work. Also, you won`t find more affordable programs than the ones coming out of Australia.

Do it through distance study. There are a lot of us out here who have and are doing it this way.

Tuition is going up quite rapidly every year it seems, so I`d recommend anyone interested to start soon if they wanna save a lot of money.

I think tuition has doubled for some schools offering TESOL degrees within the last 5 years or so.
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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with TECO, in that, you ought to go overseas first.....however, I do not agree with attending an Australian school.

Why?

Well, you can look up the reason in my other posts about what Korean English professors (the ones that hire us) think about distance degrees (especially those gained by Americans....hinting at that we couldn't get into a program in our home country).

As for what I've found out while being here....I've spent the last month trotting about and checking out several univerisities and their TESOL/Ap.Ling/Ling/MMEd.... programs. Most offer the non-thesis track as well, but those tracks are for those who do not wish to advance to a higher degree. Also, one uses a portfolio..which, is hard in transferring into a Ph.D if you wish later on. I've been a bit chummy with a director, and asked about me getting a degree from Australia. He simply reinterated what the Koreans and other professors (from other unis nationwide) said... It'd be best if I get my advanced degrees here.


Shoosh,

Ryst
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryst Helmut wrote:
I do not agree with attending an Australian school.

Why?

Well, you can look up the reason in my other posts about what Korean English professors (the ones that hire us) think about distance degrees (especially those gained by Americans....hinting at that we couldn't get into a program in our home country).

LOL!! I can relate. I live in Taiwan and the MOE in Taiwan refuses to recognize any form of distance education at any level.

However, OP, many universities around the world, and in Asia, will recognize a distance M.A. degree. It's becoming more and more popular as a way for people to futher their education and lots of people are doing it.

Ryst Helmut wrote:
I've been a bit chummy with a director, and asked about me getting a degree from Australia. He simply reinterated what the Koreans and other professors (from other unis nationwide) said... It'd be best if I get my advanced degrees here.

Chinese and Korean folks LOVE American degrees, don't they. An American degree is obviously the icing on the cake with these people but American degrees are not needed to get a job teaching EFL in Asian universities or other schools.

Degrees from Australia, Canada, U.K. New Zealand and South Africa are also accepted.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If 2 years is nothing to you.. and you don't mind it.. I'd definetely do it now.

It gets harder and harder to do each year that goes by, particularly when you start 'getting your feet wet' and get the abroad/travel bug in your system.
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ajstew



Joined: 04 Feb 2004
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:18 pm    Post subject: MA or BA Reply with quote

Tuna,
If you studied Sociology, why not do a Master's degree in it? It's value will be as good in Korea as any other Master's degree you get. If I'm you, I wouldn't do a Master's in language just because you want the experience, because chances are, you won't get the job you are really looking for until you have some experience teaching in Korea anyway (even if only one year).
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd do the MA.

You'd easily get a great job in Korea. Experience teaching kids in a hogwan isn't really the same as having a linguistics or tesol masters when it comes to applying for university jobs.

In addition, if you don't like Korea, you can take that degree nearly anywhere in the world and get a good uni teaching english job!
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tuna007az



Joined: 18 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree tiger i think it is beeter option to recieve the Ma so if i dont like Korea I do have the option to go anywhere i would like. A Ma in Sociology really does do that much it basically make my window of options smaller
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Jensen



Joined: 30 Mar 2003
Location: hippie hell

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tuna007az wrote:
I agree tiger i think it is beeter option to recieve the Ma so if i dont like Korea I do have the option to go anywhere i would like. A Ma in Sociology really does do that much it basically make my window of options smaller


If you are studying Korean and thinking about preparing for Korea specifically, take the time to make a trip over (if you haven't already) and spend at least a couple of weeks. I studied Korean in the states and worked in as an assitant in ESL programs with Korean students, but nothing prepared me for my first visit. Of course there was no such thing as eslcafe then...

I'm looking at doing an MA in TESOL in Oregon, hope to be taking classes as early as this summer. I can sympathize, it's a big choice and the fact there's probably a lot of us liberal-arts types who are taking the TESOL MA route is a little unnerving. Are there really that many jobs out there? University teaching sounds very attractive: travel, get to meet all kinds of people, and it might even pay a living wage!

I hope so anyway...
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