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I am putting a boycott on anyonghasayo, and kamsahamneeda.
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Darl



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: I am putting a boycott on anyonghasayo, and kamsahamneeda. Reply with quote

Say it in English, people. We are here to teach English. Plus, (In Chris Rock voice) WHO in the HELL don't know "hello" and "thank you"..? Everyone in Korea knows this.....Let's be honest. The only people impressed by your Korean are other foreigners. Either that or you can be a TV monkey. You dress up like a clown and speak a little Korean to show them that we can learn their language, for no other purpose than going back to the states and really impressing the dry cleaner. who speaks English anyways.

My 2 cents. Retort in force, if you must.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darl - let's put it in a different perspective..

If you were in, say, Spain or Italy, doing the same job, i.e. teaching English, would you be more enthusiastic about learning Spanish or Italian?

Just asking.
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Scamps



Joined: 01 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand what you're saying and you're right, everyone who doesn't live under a rock knows hello and thank you. But I think it's nice to say as much as you can in Korean. When I'm in the US I don't want to hear "hola" and "gracias" although I know what they mean. I would think to myself, wow, don't you know ANY English at all?
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cheolsu



Joined: 16 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're going to live in this country, you should speak the language. I learned to speak Korean because I live here. It's as simple as that. I'm embarrassed by my co-workers that have lived here for a year or more and still order in English. If you don't want Koreans speaking to you in English in your home country, don't speak to them in English here, unless you know they understand you when you say "I'll have the bibimbap, please, and also some gogi mandu. Thanks."
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Darl



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point is, that while I have taken the time to learn the language, "hello" and "thanks" are always cool. No matter how much language you have learned. Everyone wants some English outta you. Everyone. Use your English whenever it seems someone wants to speak it, but always, always, use hello and thank you.

Korean language outside Korea is as useful as a one legged man in a butt-kicking contest, is my point.
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cheolsu



Joined: 16 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darl wrote:
"hello" and "thanks" are always cool.
Since when? I go to the bank all the time and even when I get an English-speaking teller, she loudly says goodbye in Korean all the time. It's the same at restaurants and coffee shops.

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No matter how much language you have learned. Everyone wants some English outta you.
No they don't. Nobody cares if you say "hello" or "thank you" in English. It makes you seem like an idiot. You're in Korea, speak the language unless you're addressed in English.

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Korean language outside Korea is as useful as a one legged man in a butt-kicking contest, is my point.
So what? That has nothing to do with arbitrarily speaking English to Koreans.
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Tundra_Creature



Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what you're saying is... don't bother picking up a language if you're in a place to teach english?
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dragon777



Joined: 06 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your missing the point that learning another language means a little respect to some Koreans.
They actually feel benefitted that someone has bothered to learn their language. They feel gratified that some westeners have bothered to do this. Get off your big horn and feel good about doing something positive here.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having lived here for 9 years, I actually speak a decent amount of Korean, despite not having studied it in a school or a language course, ever. One of my friends calls it *natural language acquisition*.

Anyway, the point is, I find it rather useful to show my students that I, too, am a language learner and I totally understand their struggles and frustrations. They appreciate it - the kids find it funny and amazing at the same time (that I sometimes throw in a Korean word here and there); the older ones (uni students and adults) are grateful for my understanding.
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uk27



Joined: 19 May 2009
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always find it strange when people say things about not learning Korean because it's, like, not useful outside of Korea Shocked But, surely, at the moment you're INSIDE Korea?! Hence it will be useful now.

It's a bit like living in the Netherlands but refusing to learn Dutch because it won't be useful when you visit Germany.

I think it's an excuse, and a lame one.
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Emeliu



Joined: 31 Mar 2009
Location: Korea, i'm OMW

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

uk27 wrote:
I always find it strange when people say things about not learning Korean because it's, like, not useful outside of Korea Shocked But, surely, at the moment you're INSIDE Korea?! Hence it will be useful now.

It's a bit like living in the Netherlands but refusing to learn Dutch because it won't be useful when you visit Germany.

I think it's an excuse, and a lame one.

and it'll be extremely useful if you're going to come back.
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Bronski



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard people aggressively insist that learning Korean is a waste of time. It's one thing to not learn it yourself, but to discourage others is pretty pathetic.
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sugarkane59



Joined: 10 Jun 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having trouble learning the language Darl? Your post has not been a popular one it seems!

Did you know that 75% of the world does not speak English as a first language? 'nough said.
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Emeliu



Joined: 31 Mar 2009
Location: Korea, i'm OMW

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sugarkane59 wrote:
Having trouble learning the language Darl? Your post has not been a popular one it seems!

Did you know that 75% of the world does not speak English as a first language? 'nough said.


I believe the correct way to say it is "nuff said", Smile
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cheolsu



Joined: 16 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sugarkane59 wrote:
Did you know that 75% of the world does not speak English as a first language? 'nough said.
It's more like 95%. For most of those people, English isn't terribly useful on an overt, daily basis. That's why they're so eager to talk to someone, anyone in English. It helps you understand current events, new ideas, movies, music and so on.

There's nothing more obnoxious than someone who lives in an another country but refuses to learn the English. This is as true for Koreans in Canada and America as it is for Americans and Canadians in Korea. Language acquisition isn't easy, of course, but not being able to speak and refusing to speak are two very different matters.
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