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Conrad B Hart



Joined: 27 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:57 pm    Post subject: Is it worth it? Reply with quote

Hi all. I'm talking about a Masters Degree in a 'TEFL/TESOL' related field. I know it's not necessary to get one to work in Korea, but I'm trying to do a bit of forward thinking and planning and think that at some stage I'll need to get a Masters degree to make any career progress. So for those of you that have a Masters, was it worth it and what kind of job advantages has it given you? In Korea and in other Countries.
I take it that employers would think a lot higher of you if you had a Masters degree instead of just the basic CELTA/Trinity/TEFL certificate (100 hours+)?
I know I'll have to get a TEFL qualification pretty soon and was wondering if I should just skip the cert part and go straight onto do a Masters course.
('TEFL' would cost about �900-1200, Masters anywhere from �3000-�4000). Would investing in a Masters course at the much higher cost be justified (and paid back) in the future? Thanks in advance for any input.

Lastly, this is aimed at UK citizens. Does anyone know if there are any Universities here that have any degree of flexibility with Masters start dates (for taught courses) or do they all start in September/October only?
If I took a 12 month contract in Korea in say February/March time, then ideally I really wouldn't want to 'waste 6 months' of my life waiting around until September time to start a Masters.

Cheers.
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Starbucks



Joined: 12 Aug 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this all depends on how serious you are on teaching esl. Do you plan on teaching ESL for more than 5 years?
If your just thinking of teaching for 1-2-3 years maybe and see where it goes, then I wouldn't do it.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL. I finished up my MBA right smack in the middle of the financial crisis. The Master's at least got me a university position after my 'real' job uncerimoniously closed up shop. Decided I liked the university environment, so cashed in my chips and the better half and I went back to the US so I could knock out the Ph.D. Back working here, but it's a whole different ball game now.

The long and short of it is that the MA can't hurt you. If you want to stay competitive in the ESL teaching market, especially for the better ESL university teaching positions, then the MA plus a few other certs would be the only way to go. If you want to stay more flexible, and aren't looking to teach ESL in Korea very long term, you could do your Master's in something else. Your call, but higher level degrees never hurt if you're working in education.

Cheers, and good luck to you.
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it worth it?


No, it's not worth it.
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angelgirl



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:13 pm    Post subject: people Reply with quote

We are in an EFL situation. Big Big difference.
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Conrad B Hart



Joined: 27 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
LOL. I finished up my MBA right smack in the middle of the financial crisis. The Master's at least got me a university position after my 'real' job uncerimoniously closed up shop. Decided I liked the university environment, so cashed in my chips and the better half and I went back to the US so I could knock out the Ph.D. Back working here, but it's a whole different ball game now.

The long and short of it is that the MA can't hurt you. If you want to stay competitive in the ESL teaching market, especially for the better ESL university teaching positions, then the MA plus a few other certs would be the only way to go. If you want to stay more flexible, and aren't looking to teach ESL in Korea very long term, you could do your Master's in something else. Your call, but higher level degrees never hurt if you're working in education.

Cheers, and good luck to you.


Thanks for info. I suppose if I'm thinking about spending �1000 on a TEFL cert then I may as well spend 3-4 times that cost and get a Masters Degree, as I'll probably only have to do that sometime in the future anyway. So no point in getting both right?
A Masters is what seems to open up the University jobs and also I would think prospective employers would take you more seriously rather than those that just have the basic TEFL cert, as the stereotype with that is that it's more often than not taken by those who just want a quick 1-3 year blast in other Countries rather than a proper career.
Also, time is always passing so fast. Ideally I don't want to be going back to University too many years after I originally left, as I hear studying only gets harder the older you get.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: Is it worth it? Reply with quote

Conrad B Hart wrote:

('TEFL' would cost about �900-1200, Masters anywhere from �3000-�4000).


That's it?? How are the prices for international students in the UK? That is way cheaper than the MA I want is going for in Canada.
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AgentM



Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: Is it worth it? Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
Conrad B Hart wrote:

('TEFL' would cost about �900-1200, Masters anywhere from �3000-�4000).


That's it?? How are the prices for international students in the UK? That is way cheaper than the MA I want is going for in Canada.


Prices for international students in the UK are high (as they are for int. students in most places). You're looking at at least 10,000 pounds tuition for a Masters program, depending on what program you're doing.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's still very reasonable compared to the US. Of course, the cost of living might make the difference in tuition costs seem small.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please get a TEFL certificate, like a CELTA.

That way, you'll feel better about yourself, and learn something. More importantly, however, I won't have to worry about you competing with me for university jobs in the future. I will be finished with my MA/TESOL in the next year or so.

Seriously, though... if you're not planning on teaching English overseas for the rest of your life, then get another MA in something else more useful back home. You'll still get university jobs with an MA in whatever over here.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much echoing my previous posts so I can't help but agree. Plus, Bassexpander is usually spot on to begin with.

However, if you DO plan on competing long term for ESL university positions here, and then perhaps transitioning to a university job elsewhere, know that you'll probably be competing against people with their MA in a related dicipline PLUS the CELTA, DELTA, and other buzz and whistle certifications.

It never gets easier. Always need to keep upgrading, especially if you work in education.
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