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raewon
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: Two opinion questions about Teacher's Guides |
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Here are a few quick questions regarding Teacher's Guides (for anyone
interested in responding)
1. What are the most/least helpful aspects of a TG you've used?
2. When a TG specifically states how much time "should" be alloted for
each activity, does this actually help you with time management?
No, this isn't for a dissertation. One day I'd like to reinvent
the TG. |
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mld
Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Some teachers guides are helpful, some are completely useless.
The best ones have many different questions to ask (very important, simply saying "discuss where animals live", like I get on many lesson plans is both vague and unhelpful), or things to point out to students. The good ones (in my opinion) have a lot of activities clearly explained, materials listed (so that anyone could understand) and have very clear outcomes. Tests are also helpful.
When making lesson plans (the few times I've actually had to do them), I've added in time amounts for each part of the lesson (since they were made specifically for my class and another at my school), but this approach is not necessarily helpful in Korea.
Most of the textbooks we use at my school are meant to be used over the course of a whole year, yet we tend to fly through the books in three months. We zip through units at the pace of about one a week, which is not sufficient time to teach the vocabulary and sentence structures as well as could be. More often than not, we must completely ignore most of what is in the teacher's guide as we don't have time to even do a half-@**ed job of it. You could make a textbook with TG that's meant to be done in three months, but I'm sure they'd try to do it in 1.... sometimes I shake my head... |
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raewon
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your opinion.
I agree that the better guides provide lots of ways (specific questions or otherwise) to elicit specific language/language functions. As you stated, the objectives must also be clear. I've always followed the line of thought that good objectives must be both observable and measurable.
When you included the times for your lessons, how strictly were you able to adhere to them? Had you overestimated or underestimated? |
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son of coco
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:56 am Post subject: |
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I saw some teacher's guides on a co-teacher's desk the other day and that's pretty much the first time I noticed they existed. We're not big on giving the teachers any resources to do their job with at my school. |
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mld
Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:46 am Post subject: |
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raewon wrote: |
When you included the times for your lessons, how strictly were you able to adhere to them? Had you overestimated or underestimated? |
I tried as best as I could to adhere to them. I planned usually for 35 min in a 40min period so I had some leeway, but often I went over. Estimating how long it takes students to write and do activities can be difficult. I often try to do too much when I'm planning things and my lack of experience (only a few practicums back home and minimal planning here) has only improved my ability to judge how long it takes to do something a little bit. However, with tried and tested plans, the times certainly would help as if someone puts enough thought into about how much something should take, then it helps me think about how important it is and whether or not I need to spend more time on it (but things come up often - too many words students don't understand, etc.).
Long story short: I have trouble with time management (generally trying to do too much), but I think that giving suggested times is helpful for people who have the time (usually not an option at some schools here, from what I've heard - though I'm sure not all) to look at the TG - if they've been given them (which even at my school, we are often not given anything). |
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mld
Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:52 am Post subject: |
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raewon wrote: |
Thanks for your opinion.
I agree that the better guides provide lots of ways (specific questions or otherwise) to elicit specific language/language functions. As you stated, the objectives must also be clear. I've always followed the line of thought that good objectives must be both observable and measurable. |
Sorry, another thought came to mind from what you said. I have also found that 1) there are no clear objectives for lessons, terms, or years here. It's just "teach this book." In some of my books they have these, but really, there are no learning outcomes such as the Student will be able to (SWBAT).... It's hard to really teach when you're not so sure what the goal is. And on top of that, we are often asked to make a test. Well, what do you want to test. Two teachers could make two tests for the same book and a student could get 0 on one and 100 on the other. There is no real direction, and often it feels like a lot of people (Korean teachers and Native teachers alike, though some NT's have excuses as they've never been taught this, I would assume the KT's should have...) are "playing teacher" with little or no structure to what they are actually doing. My suggestions would be clear, specific outcomes with ways to clearly measure if a student has achieved them (a 3 or 4 point rubric can be helpful). Evaluation here seems just to produce a number, which at my school often doesn't mean anything. I often wonder why we even bother to test them if a failing grade doesn't mean any different than a perfect grade.... argh... sorry, needed to vent... (gonna have a banana soon - for real, but thought that would make some readers laugh). |
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laoshihao

Joined: 05 Feb 2007 Location: I'll take the ROK, Alex, because that's where my stuff is.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:52 am Post subject: Tg's |
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My teacher's guides were in Korean. So, yeah, they were helpful. My co would try to translate them for me, but she didn't always have the time. Eventually, we stopped using them and just augmented the text with bogglesworld stuff and youtube videos. |
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laoshihao

Joined: 05 Feb 2007 Location: I'll take the ROK, Alex, because that's where my stuff is.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: Unclear objectives |
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mld, my first semester was like that. We had two books and were trying to plow throw both at the same time. I think it was just more confusing for the students. One book was conversation and the other was for listening (bores the students to death). So second semester we dropped the listening book and used the conversation book to base the lessons off. Then we'd pull youtube videos for their listening exercises. There was a huge improvement in speaking and listening ability after that since the videos were for language they could actually use out in the English speaking world. Instead of some BS paragraph about dinosaurs or Jimmy's violin, we had them watching things like a consumer report (shopping unit), a mock job interview (jobs unit), and Where the Hell is Matt? (travel unit). The travel unit was the last thing we did, but you could see the progress when they used phrases and structures from the shopping unit and jobs unit to talk about purchasing mock tours from an imaginary travel agency to places in the Matt video. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Teacher's Guides are just that - guides. Not too be followed in any strict sense but as something to lean on for "guidance". Many have ideas and classroom language that can be borrowed for good effect. But depends. The guide is only as good as the person interpreting it.
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My teacher's guides were in Korean. So, yeah, they were helpful. My co would try to translate them for me, but she didn't always have the time. Eventually, we stopped using them
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Sorry, another thought came to mind from what you said. I have also found that 1) there are no clear objectives for lessons, terms, or years here. It's just "teach this book." |
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I saw some teacher's guides on a co-teacher's desk the other day and that's pretty much the first time I noticed they existed. We're not big on giving the teachers any resources to do their job with at my school. |
I've been doing my best to get teachers at SMOE guides and handbooks. See this link below for many downloads. English and despite the quibbles from those previously, there are a lot of good ideas in these and the lesson plans are very practical.
http://setiteachers.ning.com/forum/topics/hs-ms-and-elementary
cheers,
DD
http://eflclassroom.com |
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mld
Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
Teacher's Guides are just that - guides. Not too be followed in any strict sense but as something to lean on for "guidance". Many have ideas and classroom language that can be borrowed for good effect. But depends. The guide is only as good as the person interpreting it.
agreed, though in Korea, most teachers are not qualified and are without experience teaching (and even some experienced ones who don't have the qualifications aren't necessarily much better without the supervised practicums, etc.). The guides for these people need to be more helpful than the guides for those who have had the chance to see these things in practise over a course of time.
I've been doing my best to get teachers at SMOE guides and handbooks. See this link below for many downloads. English and despite the quibbles from those previously, there are a lot of good ideas in these and the lesson plans are very practical.
http://setiteachers.ning.com/forum/topics/hs-ms-and-elementary
cheers,
DD
http://eflclassroom.com |
DD, I've been browsing some of the guides (I'm in a hagwon, and thus, don't get them). Did you write these? Wow if you did, that's a lot of work. They look a lot more helpful than anything I have seen in Korea, though if I was given one of these, I probably wouldn't have the time to look through it all when I first got here.
Some observations:
1) while there are several clear learning objectives for each grade, not all are easily evaluated. It is hard to evaluate understanding. A better wording could be: "students follow directions with no/minimal/a lot of help" instead of "students understand directions easily." I didn't spend a lot of time, but this was one of a few that stuck out for me.
2) I like how you show a typical division of labour for all stages of lesson planning and implementation, but like I mentioned above, it's a good idea to perhaps have suggested times for each activity (weather, date, review, etc.). Strike that, I just got to the sample lesson plan (where you do have the times).
3) The sample lesson plan I saw was very detailed, but it only had what two people were doing: the KT and the NT. What about the students? For beginning planners, thinking about what the students will do at all times is crucial. It helps teachers focus on how the students are learning and how to keep them interested and motivated.
I'm going to stop here. These are pretty good and any suggestions I have are really nitpicking. I wish I had these at my school, and any beginner would benefit from them. That's not to say they couldn't be improved, but there is clearly a lot of thought and effort put into this and will help teachers to do a good job. Whether or not everyone has time to use such a guide is another story... |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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DD, I've been browsing some of the guides (I'm in a hagwon, and thus, don't get them). Did you write these? Wow if you did, that's a lot of work. They look a lot more helpful than anything I have seen in Korea, though if I was given one of these, I probably wouldn't have the time to look through it all when I first got here. |
mld,
I had a lot of input and MUCH of the content in these, is my own. (like co-teaching / recommended websites / questionnaires and checklists / some lesson plans. I also had some input and suggestions for the Korean teachers who worked hard and put the rest together. I'm promoting them online to make sure teachers can get them. A lot of this good work gets buried sometimes...
Your criticisms are warranted and I was just too busy to edit myself or suggest much. Such is life. There are glitches but I'm happy you did note, they are valuable to a new teacher who has some time on their hands and wants some advice about using the textbooks. Also, for other content.
But as you underlined, they are only guides. It is all about thinking on our feet and adapting. It is an art , not a science. As a teacher gets experienced, the need to follow a strict plan and or write a plan diminishes...... we have more ammunition and wherewithall...
Cheers,
DD
http://eflclassroom.com |
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