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Conrad B Hart



Joined: 27 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: I'm confused :/ Reply with quote

TEFL? TESOL? CELTA?

If funds and time permits, I thought it might be a good idea to get a TEFL cert sometime soon, but there are so many options out there it's difficult to know which one's are the best.

I want to be able to get a qualification that will also be accepted in other Countries outside of Korea.

Can anyone help? Post a link?

I'm based in England (UK) so would want to do it there or somewhere else in Europe (preferably somewhere that's warm in October).

Cheers.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being from the UK, the CELTA is best for your goals. Or trinity.
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davem5472



Joined: 25 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok..being from America, would ANY contact TESL work for me in Korea? Or should I get a Cambridge CELTA as well (Miami is nice in Sept.)?
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okayden223



Joined: 05 Jun 2009
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get the CELTA in Denver as well, I believe. It's pretty much the international standard as far as ESL certifications go. Although nothing is more impressive than an MA in TESOL or applied linguistics. Actually a PhD in either would be more impressive, but you don't come across those often. If you can spring for it, go do it in a cheaper country than the USA or a cheaper area than the UK. You'll get a chance to travel and get a marketable certification.
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Conrad B Hart



Joined: 27 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would I be correct in assuming that no matter which Country I do a Trinity or CELTA in, that it will be the same recognised qualification?
I think the prices for 4-5 week intensive courses are more or less the same all over the World (can anyone tell me different)?

I am also looking at doing an MA in the future, but would need around 4 times the funds as a 'TEFL course', so that will probably have to wait. Plus, from initial enquiries it looks like some of the better MA courses require you to have a TEFL cert and minimum of 2 years prior teaching experience.
I also looked a PGCE (the advantage of that is that you actually get a bursary to do the course rather than having to shell out over �4000 in course fees). Though I think I'm right in assuming that a PGCE is not up to Masters standards, so I'd still need to do a Masters to progress in a career.
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Conrad B Hart



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found out a CELTA is actually geared towards teaching adults (hence the TA), so might not be as useful for teaching in Korea as I first thought. Are all the standard TEFL type qualifications taught in this way?
I am aware that you can do a CELTYL, but I'm unsure about that, as I hear some of these schools and recruiters probably wouldn't accept that, even though it would actually be a better qualification than a CELTA for teaching children.

Also it looks like TEFL courses are actually more expensive outside the UK, even in so-called 'cheaper Countries'. Why? Why? Why? I was hoping to take a break from living here for 4-5 weeks. Sad
I even contemplated a visit to North America, but the prices there seem to be the most expensive in the World (was quoted about $2400 for one in New York).
What prices did others pay for their 4-5 weeks intensive (taught only) courses?

The search goes on.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are they expensive? Because it's a money-making business. There's a lot of money in convincing people that they need a TEFL certification (even though in Korea, for example, you don't). Do you suppose it's a coincidence that the cost of a course in Korea is about the same as the cost of the same course in Thailand plus a plane ticket?

If you're from the USA, and have a goal to teach there, then none of these programs is worth it for anything other than what you might learn. If you want to teach in the USA, you'll need a BA in Education, plus pass whatever testing and certifications are required by that state. TEFL certifications don't mean squat, past being something else to list on the resume.

The CELTA is a British course -- useful there, and in the EU, Saudi, and I'll bet China, for example. You'll still need additional education and tests to actually teach in a public school in the UK. By itself, he CELTA is worthless in the USA, for the most part.

If you plan to teach overseas in a variety of different countries, then a proper TEFL/TESL course like CELTA would be good. For Korea alone, however, any 100+ hour TEFL piece of toilet paper from "gee weeza TEFL course company" will do for a pay raise.

If you don't plan on teaching outside of Korea, then don't waste your money on any of these (unless you can justify one because you can get a pay bump at a public school, for example).
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sjbcanada



Joined: 01 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conrad B Hart wrote:
Just found out a CELTA is actually geared towards teaching adults (hence the TA), so might not be as useful for teaching in Korea as I first thought. Are all the standard TEFL type qualifications taught in this way?
I am aware that you can do a CELTYL, but I'm unsure about that, as I hear some of these schools and recruiters probably wouldn't accept that, even though it would actually be a better qualification than a CELTA for teaching children.



There is a full 4 week CELTYL and a 2 week YL extension to the CELTA which are normally recognized world wide assuming that the school is run for education and the management has educated itself on TESOL certificates. Most Hagwons here don't really care about actual quality - just about what they can tell the parents and how much they can charge for a "certified" teacher. 100 hours of instruction and at least 6 hours of observed practice are the minimum requirements for a recognizable course anywhere. So any "on-line" courses should be ignored.
I took CELTA and it is INTENSIVE. You have homework and essays and prep... I didn't have time for anything but the course and you learn a lot. I really want to take the CELTYL. I highly recommend it. The even fail a few students if they don't meet the standard. A person from the oversight governing body comes and checks to make sure each course taught is up to their standard.

http://www.cambridgeesol.org/
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