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The Disgrace of the Korean "Justice" System
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Canucksaram



Joined: 29 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: The Disgrace of the Korean "Justice" System Reply with quote

Readers of this site know that a member called Flash Ipanema was arrested, detained, fined, and then given an exit order for "illegally" teaching English at a summer English camp.

If you read the details of her case you know that--to a rational, fair-minded person--there is *nothing* morally wrong with her actions, and her treatment and subsequent punishment under Korean "law" is unfair and distasteful, if not repugnant.

Compare her treatment to a citizen of this land, Korea, surnamed Kim, who committed a violent rape (link: http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/08/14/200908140026.asp) and was given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE for his crime.

A damned suspended sentence for RAPE!

This provokes in me disgust at the laws of this land and its lawmakers and judicial officials, as it should in every person who cares about justice and fairness.

Shame on you, Korea, for letting a rapist off with a suspended sentence. Shame, shame, shame on you!
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kabrams



Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the details?
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benji



Joined: 21 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of the rapist's punishment, the teacher broke the law and was dealt with accordingly. No injustice there. Why do you compare the two?
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thurst



Joined: 08 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

she knew the law and chose to take the risk and break it...and subesequently got caught. stop crying.
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Canucksaram



Joined: 29 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:47 pm    Post subject: Not equivalent. Reply with quote

To make it plain for the two posters who have so far made hasty and probably unconsidered comments:

Being dealt with accordingly and being treated fairly and justly are not equivalent.

A person found guilty of a minor bureaucratic infraction has been punished more severely than a person found guilty of the indefensible crime of rape. You truly see nothing wrong or unjust with the treatment of the former defendant compared to the latter one?
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E_athlete



Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

calm down canushsaram (good name choice btw..)

morality does not equal legality

legality does not equal morality


are the laws discriminatory toward foreigners? Yes.

Is it immoral? I'd say yes


Is there much we can do except take it up the rear? No.
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The Grumpy Senator



Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Up and down the 6 line

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

E_athlete wrote:

Is there much we can do except take it up the rear? No.


Yes there is. Do not teach illegally.
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

benji wrote:
Regardless of the rapist's punishment, the teacher broke the law and was dealt with accordingly. No injustice there. Why do you compare the two?


I have to agree with this. Yes, the teacher's punishment was harsh for basically having the wrong camp on her C4, and yes, a suspended sentence for rape is a joke. But there are plenty of instances in the USA where there are inequities in the sentences handed out. And if you can afford a "Dream Team" of lawyers, you can even beat a murder rap. Just ask O.J.!
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AgentM



Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sector7G wrote:
I have to agree with this. Yes, the teacher's punishment was harsh for basically having the wrong camp on her C4, and yes, a suspended sentence for rape is a joke. But there are plenty of instances in the USA where there are inequities in the sentences handed out. And if you can afford a "Dream Team" of lawyers, you can even beat a murder rap. Just ask O.J.!


Pretty much, justice systems are imperfect everywhere. Unless you want to try to go into politics and make changes (which isn't really an option for us in Korea anyways), best just get used to it!
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: The Disgrace of the Korean "Justice" System Reply with quote

She was deported. Big freaking deal. You make it sound like she was tortured, publicly caned, and held in solitary confinement.

She violated an immigration law. She got deported.

IT HAPPENS IN ALL COUNTRIES!!!!


Hey OP, why don't you go to the EU and try to work there illegally. Do you think the French, Italian, German, UK immigration officers are going say, "Hey you didn't hurt anyone so we aren't going give you an exit order"

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markhan



Joined: 02 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: The Disgrace of the Korean "Justice" System Reply with quote

What about the 13-year-old boy doing a life sentence in the US without a chance of parole?

I could easily give you many cases of injustice handed out by US court, especially against African-Americans but I don't think that's the point here.

You are actually doing disservice to many law-abiding English teachers here by making light of "illegal" teaching and then having a nerve to compare to "rape"case in Korea.

Canucksaram wrote:
Readers of this site know that a member called Flash Ipanema was arrested, detained, fined, and then given an exit order for "illegally" teaching English at a summer English camp.

If you read the details of her case you know that--to a rational, fair-minded person--there is *nothing* morally wrong with her actions, and her treatment and subsequent punishment under Korean "law" is unfair and distasteful, if not repugnant.

Compare her treatment to a citizen of this land, Korea, surnamed Kim, who committed a violent rape (link: http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/08/14/200908140026.asp) and was given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE for his crime.

A damned suspended sentence for RAPE!

This provokes in me disgust at the laws of this land and its lawmakers and judicial officials, as it should in every person who cares about justice and fairness.

Shame on you, Korea, for letting a rapist off with a suspended sentence. Shame, shame, shame on you!
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for the record, I do think the teacher's treatment was a little overboard for the crime. Thrown in jail, handcuffed like she was violent, deported, jerked around on when she could leave, all because she had the wrong school on her C4 visa, a visa many don't even bother getting.

I was just saying the rape case has no bearing on the teacher's case, or whether Korea's justice is any worse than any place else. Maybe it is, but this comparison does not prove it.
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E_athlete



Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Grumpy Senator wrote:
E_athlete wrote:

Is there much we can do except take it up the rear? No.


Yes there is. Do not teach illegally.


I was referring to changing discriminatory laws. According to you though, the best way to deal with discriminatory laws is to simply obey them.
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The Grumpy Senator



Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Up and down the 6 line

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

E_athlete wrote:
The Grumpy Senator wrote:
E_athlete wrote:

Is there much we can do except take it up the rear? No.


Yes there is. Do not teach illegally.


I was referring to changing discriminatory laws. According to you though, the best way to deal with discriminatory laws is to simply obey them.


No, I feel the best way to deal with any law is to not break it. I have no problem with the teacher being deported. The law is set, we all know the penalty. if you break the law, be expected to pay the price.

I have not stated my opinion on the Korean justice system and their levels of punishment. Therefore, it is impossible for you to know my feelings on that subject. Instead, you just attack me. Nice job.
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benji



Joined: 21 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

E_athlete wrote:
The Grumpy Senator wrote:
E_athlete wrote:

Is there much we can do except take it up the rear? No.


Yes there is. Do not teach illegally.


I was referring to changing discriminatory laws. According to you though, the best way to deal with discriminatory laws is to simply obey them.


How are the laws discriminatory? Every country has laws regarding noncitizens and work.
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