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So...whats up with age, or is it just age?
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davem5472



Joined: 25 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:05 pm    Post subject: So...whats up with age, or is it just age? Reply with quote

I have both a B.A. (non-English) and an M.Div. master's degree. I have worked 27 yrs in a nonteaching trade and am retiring early. I just turned 55. In a country that seems to "venerate" age/experience, why the prejudice against age? I saw GEPIK has an age restriction, and I have been told by recruiters that they "cant get me a job". Is it JUST the age, or is there something else Ive done? Ive never lived there, but is there some kind of "black list" I could be on, or is it just age?
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furtakk



Joined: 02 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when you say a non-english b.a. do you mean a b.a. from a non-english speaking country? if so, i'd imagine that's probably why. if you just mean not in english, then never mind.

to be blunt, most recruiters probably don't bother because it would just be much harder to find a position for someone your age, but not impossible. it's just easier for them to place younger people. that said, there are plenty of recruiters around who would probably help you out. you just may have to look a bit harder.
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davem5472



Joined: 25 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh no, the resume clearly notes both degrees are midwest (no accent), American native speaker. I just feel like I get all this excitement and then a deadend, and I noted on one site they mentioned GEPIK doesnt accept about 54. But, thank you, if I quit THAT easy Id never try heading to Korea to teach. Im just surprised there is age resistance there.
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

davem5472 wrote:
Oh no, the resume clearly notes both degrees are midwest (no accent), American native speaker. I just feel like I get all this excitement and then a deadend, and I noted on one site they mentioned GEPIK doesnt accept about 54. But, thank you, if I quit THAT easy Id never try heading to Korea to teach. Im just surprised there is age resistance there.


That doesn't mean you can't teach here. Some hogwans are every bit as good as working in a public school. Plus you have a masters which means you could land a university gig.

My advice. Go with a hogwan your first year. Then start looking for uni positions. I know guys over here who were teaching into their seventies.
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davem5472



Joined: 25 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, thats why I posted it. Great encouragement (I can use all I can get..lol) thanks, and any other I would be just fine, TY, Dave.
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: So...whats up with age, or is it just age? Reply with quote

davem5472 wrote:
I have both a B.A. (non-English) and an M.Div. master's degree. I have worked 27 yrs in a nonteaching trade and am retiring early. I just turned 55. In a country that seems to "venerate" age/experience, why the prejudice against age? I saw GEPIK has an age restriction, and I have been told by recruiters that they "cant get me a job". Is it JUST the age, or is there something else Ive done? Ive never lived there, but is there some kind of "black list" I could be on, or is it just age?


Most countries have age restrictions on public servant jobs, korea is no exception.

Plus older people have more health issues
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

davem5472 wrote:
Cool, thats why I posted it. Great encouragement (I can use all I can get..lol) thanks, and any other I would be just fine, TY, Dave.


I'm going to be honest with you. You can get a gig in a hogwan probably by tomorrow morning.

But your first hogwan usually turns into a crapwon. You will have trying moments. But suck it up. A year goes by quickly.

Keep in mind that you're on an e-2 visa. That means the boss will control your visa. So if he turns out to be a tyrant, then you're just going to have to suck it up.

But you will find a job.
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davem5472



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again, Im hoping some "crapwon" picks me up...lol. If it were too easy women would be doing it....errrr...oops I guess they are. Anyway, that is my point about job experience....27 yrs in a union trade has taught me to read and play with tyrants. Thanks again. See what you guys think of the TESL online idea above. Dave.
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

davem5472 wrote:
Thanks again, Im hoping some "crapwon" picks me up...lol. If it were too easy women would be doing it....errrr...oops I guess they are. Anyway, that is my point about job experience....27 yrs in a union trade has taught me to read and play with tyrants. Thanks again. See what you guys think of the TESL online idea above. Dave.


Keep me up to speed on the process. So many times, people post a story and then provide no follow ups. I'd be interested to find out what happens.
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davem5472



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, well I recieved a bunch of hits from Dave's site today. I assure you...giving up is not on the screen, Ill keep you ahead...and abreast?
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pie eater



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="davem5472"]Oh no, the resume clearly notes both degrees are midwest (no accent), American native speaker. [quote]

You know you have an accent don't you? Even if you think you have no accent! Cool

You have come at a bad time to be hired in Korea - for some reason - a lot of people want to work there thus oldies, non-Americans, uglies and fatties are having a harder time of it as usual. It will pass but it looks like you will have to try a lot harder than usual if you want a job.

Last year, you would have found work easily and in my opinion that will hold true for next year. This year though - its going to be hard.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trick is not finding a job with the most money... it's finding a job with the most free time. Keep that in mind.

And at your age, I would try hard to find a job teaching adults. That will mean a lot to universiites after 1 year, and you'll stand better chance of getting a university gig later, given that and your past experience.

Screw GEPIK. The best teachers (best credentials) aren't interested in working for them anymore.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The public servant age restriction for Korean employees is quite a bit higher than 55.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that the age is as much as a problem as the lack of experience. As a manager I wouldn't hire anyone that was 40+ that had no experience in the field. Looks like a midlife crisis when people change their professions 180 degrees. If you had relevant work experience, jobs would be plentiful.

Others have stated about teaching adults, but without any experience and background on how to run a class or develop a curriculum, it might be much harder. Adults tend to be more demanding and challenging than younger learners.

Good luck.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankly speaking wrote:
I don't think that the age is as much as a problem as the lack of experience. As a manager I wouldn't hire anyone that was 40+ that had no experience in the field. Looks like a midlife crisis when people change their professions 180 degrees. If you had relevant work experience, jobs would be plentiful.


What about someone who retired from the service and then used the GI Bill to get their degree? You can always check the date on their diploma.
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