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spyro25
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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 Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject: lee cham |
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dont know if anyone commented on this or not, but lee cham (not his real name) an ex-german citizen who has lived in korean for over 30 years, was made head of the korean tourism body. he was on tv last night and had some good ideas. i think this is a turn for the better - he is the first foreigner to hold such a high post.
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joshua7choi
Joined: 05 Jun 2008
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Lee Cham, the German-turned-Korean media celebrity, has been appointed to the head of the nation's tourism body.
Lee will take the helm of the Korea Tourism Organization (KTO) for a three-year term. He will be the first naturalized Korean to lead a public corporation...
see more detail
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2009/07/178_49325.html
In my point of view his flent Korean works effectively in Korea society. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| He's a weirdo. He came to Korea as a Moonie and has no experience or expertise for his new position. |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| He's a weirdo. He came to Korea as a Moonie and has no experience or expertise for his new position. |
quoted for truth. It almost seems like he's been put in this position because he WON'T do anything helpful. Why not pick RJ Koehler, or the lady who runs Korea4expats, or Galbijim. Jeez. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Charm is ok...we are have our faults and idiosyncrasies....some think they are better than others, etc....Charm knows how to play the game, speak the lingo and how to kiss azz..it has made him wealthy and well known amoung the koreans.
Some are envious of his success and some figure he is a jerk....he'll do ok in the PR department for korea however.
Speaking of no experience....look at how many foreign teachers also have NO experience for their new position.
I have love/no love for Charm...it don't matter to me...yeah....I know him....who better to appoint to a tourism position than someone who learned the culture/language, live in country for 30 years, etc. and is not "korean?" An outsider promoting korea sounds good! Now the problem is getting the outside to agree with him! Koreans have made themselves a bad name in most of the world as many know. He'll improve it. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
Charm is ok...we are have our faults and idiosyncrasies....some think they are better than others, etc....Charm knows how to play the game, speak the lingo and how to kiss azz..it has made him wealthy and well known amoung the koreans.
Some are envious of his success and some figure he is a jerk....he'll do ok in the PR department for korea however.
Speaking of no experience....look at how many foreign teachers also have NO experience for their new position.
I have love/no love for Charm...it don't matter to me...yeah....I know him....who better to appoint to a tourism position than someone who learned the culture/language, live in country for 30 years, etc. and is not "korean?" An outsider promoting korea sounds good! Now the problem is getting the outside to agree with him! Koreans have made themselves a bad name in most of the world as many know. He'll improve it. |
What glue are you sniffing? |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: |
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promote tourism!?? how difficult is it... just have something that people want to see..
temples? |
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js99
Joined: 25 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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I knew a guy who worked for a tourism hogwon for 2 and half years, taught both Korean history, culture and tourism to Korean tourguide candidates. Then he did several lectures for tourism majors joining the KNTO. He also trained Korean tourguides working for the USO for 2 years.
Would that make this guy more qualified to work as head of the KNTO?
It's all politics. |
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Netz
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Only on Dave's will you see the type of ignorance that's in this thread, from foreigners residing here, against other foreigners. I tend to believes it's jealousy, rather than anything else.
Lee Cham, for all his perceived faults, helped to change the perception of Foreigners by Koreans. The fact that a foreigner was married to a Korean on national TV in a Syndicated TV show was a breakthrough moment in tearing down the xenophobic views of Koreans towards "outsiders". It was akin to showing a "Black and White" relationship on American TV in the early 60's.
He has helped Koreans to realize that not all foreigners are dope smoking, child molesting, under qualified ESL azzhats, and for that alone I give him respect.
Some posters have obviously not been here long enough to realize that fact.
He was not the typical "dancing monkey" foreigner that had, and still to this day does, permeate the airwaves of Korean media. I wish there were more "Lee Chams", and Less EBS idiots, or Korean speaking girlie shows, as these are the types of media images the Korean media wishes to portray foreigners as.
In other words, "Western Morons".
When he married a Korean citizen, there were no "F" class visas for foreigners married to Koreans. He loved this country, culture, language, and partner enough to give up his natural citizenship to become a "Korean", which is something I doubt less than 10% of those married to Koreans would be willing to do today. That goes for F4 visa holders as well, as I doubt they would be willing to relinquish their current citizenship, to become naturalized Koreans either.
Say what you want, make petty remarks about being on "drugs" in regards to my post, but it doesn't change the fact that this man has had a great deal of influence on changing Korean's perceptions of "what is possible", breaking down walls of discrimination, and paving the way for many an ESL "monkey" in this country.
I wish him the best, and certainly think that anyone who cares about Korea as much as he has obviously shown himself to in the past, will do well in this position, if not mired down in the internal politics of Korean isolationism that still exist to this day.
Instead of of all the hatorade, why don't you show a little respect to someone who has done more for Korea than anyone who posts on this forum probably ever will. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Netz wrote: |
Only on Dave's will you see the type of ignorance that's in this thread, from foreigners residing here, against other foreigners. I tend to believes it's jealousy, rather than anything else.
Lee Cham, for all his perceived faults, helped to change the perception of Foreigners by Koreans. The fact that a foreigner was married to a Korean on national TV in a Syndicated TV show was a breakthrough moment in tearing down the xenophobic views of Koreans towards "outsiders". It was akin to showing a "Black and White" relationship on American TV in the early 60's.
He has helped Koreans to realize that not all foreigners are dope smoking, child molesting, under qualified ESL azzhats, and for that alone I give him respect.
Some posters have obviously not been here long enough to realize that fact.
He was not the typical "dancing monkey" foreigner that had, and still to this day does, permeate the airwaves of Korean media. I wish there were more "Lee Chams", and Less EBS idiots, or Korean speaking girlie shows, as these are the types of media images the Korean media wishes to portray foreigners as.
In other words, "Western Morons".
When he married a Korean citizen, there were no "F" class visas for foreigners married to Koreans. He loved this country, culture, language, and partner enough to give up his natural citizenship to become a "Korean", which is something I doubt less than 10% of those married to Koreans would be willing to do today. That goes for F4 visa holders as well, as I doubt they would be willing to relinquish their current citizenship, to become naturalized Koreans either.
Say what you want, make petty remarks about being on "drugs" in regards to my post, but it doesn't change the fact that this man has had a great deal of influence on changing Korean's perceptions of "what is possible", breaking down walls of discrimination, and paving the way for many an ESL "monkey" in this country.
I wish him the best, and certainly think that anyone who cares about Korea as much as he has obviously shown himself to in the past, will do well in this position, if not mired down in the internal politics of Korean isolationism that still exist to this day.
Instead of of all the hatorade, why don't you show a little respect to someone who has done more for Korea than anyone who posts on this forum probably ever will. |
You obviously don't know the #$@!!!. |
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js99
Joined: 25 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Netz- very thoughtout emotional response. I like to give credit where credit is due.
However, despite the scores of interracial relationships and marriages that occur in Korea, there will always be a huge segment of the Korean population that foreign blood could 'intermingle' with Korean blood.
We have been, are and will always be seen as outsiders in Korean society, no matter what model is used to show otherwise. These are few and in between compared to a slight majority who see interracial relationships as a betrayal to their image of race and a single-blood society (which is similar to Germany during the NAZI era).
Yes, they might've chosen a naturalized "Korean" to be the chairman for the KNTO, but that is just mere window dressing. You will never see a naturalized "Korean" in the National Assembly like the way there are Korean-American congressmen in the US. That is due to Korea's perception of racial pride.
How will he make Korea's image any better? The ones that can do that are the foreigners who live and work in Korea who also call home and tell family and friends about the place. These people will have more of an impact that he ever will. Those that might be convinced will only see Korea's true face once they arrive and venture outside of Itaewon, and encounter places that won't serve them or people who refuse to speak to them because they are afraid of losing 'face' for not speaking English properly. They will encounter people on the bus or subway who will move away from them without any reason other than to avoid having any encouter with a foreigner. Thats the true face of Korea.
If Korea really wants to clean up their national image, they need to train their citizens to be more hospitable toward foreigners and teach people that it is ok to help a foreigner without losing face in the process because they lack the communication skills (or social skills) to interact with foreigners.
I feel both China and Japan are more foreign-friendly places to visit because their citizens are not as afraid to interact with foreigners going to those places to visit. Foreign tourists leave those countries usually feeling good about those places, but why not Korea? |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Only on Dave's will you see the type of ignorance that's in this thread, from foreigners residing here, against other foreigners. I tend to believes it's jealousy, rather than anything else.
Lee Cham, for all his perceived faults, helped to change the perception of Foreigners by Koreans. The fact that a foreigner was married to a Korean on national TV in a Syndicated TV show was a breakthrough moment in tearing down the xenophobic views of Koreans towards "outsiders". It was akin to showing a "Black and White" relationship on American TV in the early 60's.
He has helped Koreans to realize that not all foreigners are dope smoking, child molesting, under qualified ESL azzhats, and for that alone I give him respect.
Some posters have obviously not been here long enough to realize that fact.
He was not the typical "dancing monkey" foreigner that had, and still to this day does, permeate the airwaves of Korean media. I wish there were more "Lee Chams", and Less EBS idiots, or Korean speaking girlie shows, as these are the types of media images the Korean media wishes to portray foreigners as.
In other words, "Western Morons".
When he married a Korean citizen, there were no "F" class visas for foreigners married to Koreans. He loved this country, culture, language, and partner enough to give up his natural citizenship to become a "Korean", which is something I doubt less than 10% of those married to Koreans would be willing to do today. That goes for F4 visa holders as well, as I doubt they would be willing to relinquish their current citizenship, to become naturalized Koreans either.
Say what you want, make petty remarks about being on "drugs" in regards to my post, but it doesn't change the fact that this man has had a great deal of influence on changing Korean's perceptions of "what is possible", breaking down walls of discrimination, and paving the way for many an ESL "monkey" in this country.
I wish him the best, and certainly think that anyone who cares about Korea as much as he has obviously shown himself to in the past, will do well in this position, if not mired down in the internal politics of Korean isolationism that still exist to this day.
Instead of of all the hatorade, why don't you show a little respect to someone who has done more for Korea than anyone who posts on this forum probably ever will. |
You're being ridiculous. Lee Cham has changed absolutely nothing. The fact that he's a moonie pretty much negates any actual effect he could have on Korean society--it's a point to be ridiculed, and what you just said would make more sense if not for that. |
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MissSeoul
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| He's a weirdo. He came to Korea as a Moonie and has no experience or expertise for his new position. |
No, he didn't come to korea as a Moonie, he came to korea as a member of European Culture Fountain.
He was once a host of international tourism program ( introducing famous place in world wide ) on K-TV ( I think it was KBS ). While he was doing that he become real celebrity among korean because his fluent korean and his charming.
Later he had built a factory with his korean brother-in-law, his factory was making some kind of engines ( I have no knowledge what kind engine ) and exported to oversea.
I am VERY GLAD that K-government finally recognized his hard working. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Netz wrote: |
Only on Dave's will you see the type of ignorance that's in this thread, from foreigners residing here, against other foreigners. I tend to believes it's jealousy, rather than anything else.
Lee Cham, for all his perceived faults, helped to change the perception of Foreigners by Koreans. The fact that a foreigner was married to a Korean on national TV in a Syndicated TV show was a breakthrough moment in tearing down the xenophobic views of Koreans towards "outsiders". It was akin to showing a "Black and White" relationship on American TV in the early 60's.
He has helped Koreans to realize that not all foreigners are dope smoking, child molesting, under qualified ESL azzhats, and for that alone I give him respect.
Some posters have obviously not been here long enough to realize that fact.
He was not the typical "dancing monkey" foreigner that had, and still to this day does, permeate the airwaves of Korean media. I wish there were more "Lee Chams", and Less EBS idiots, or Korean speaking girlie shows, as these are the types of media images the Korean media wishes to portray foreigners as.
In other words, "Western Morons".
When he married a Korean citizen, there were no "F" class visas for foreigners married to Koreans. He loved this country, culture, language, and partner enough to give up his natural citizenship to become a "Korean", which is something I doubt less than 10% of those married to Koreans would be willing to do today. That goes for F4 visa holders as well, as I doubt they would be willing to relinquish their current citizenship, to become naturalized Koreans either.
Say what you want, make petty remarks about being on "drugs" in regards to my post, but it doesn't change the fact that this man has had a great deal of influence on changing Korean's perceptions of "what is possible", breaking down walls of discrimination, and paving the way for many an ESL "monkey" in this country.
I wish him the best, and certainly think that anyone who cares about Korea as much as he has obviously shown himself to in the past, will do well in this position, if not mired down in the internal politics of Korean isolationism that still exist to this day.
Instead of of all the hatorade, why don't you show a little respect to someone who has done more for Korea than anyone who posts on this forum probably ever will. |
Charm lee is a KOREAN! So it�s not like he was a foreigner who changed his citizenship... Robert Harley on the other hand did!
CHARM LEE returned to Korean to find his identity as many people do...
Sure he lived outside of Korean most of his young life, but that doesn�t mean he was a foreigner. He was always a Korean! So he ended up marrying a girl here and chose to stay here just like many other people do... he was bound here by blood...
Charm has not promoted Korea, or changed Koreans perspective towards foreigners! Anymore than the ESL teachers here who talk about their countries and show their students western style!
There have been foreigners living and working in Korea for hundreds of years�
Charm lee is just a guy who works on TV or radio...
I�ll admit I liked his show on TBSEFM when he hosted the evening show... but that�s just because it talked about current events...
Great he has a job promoting Korean tourism... Good luck! Maybe he can start with trying to get garbage bins put around the country! Getting cleaner bathrooms set up,
Maybe it takes a foreign mind to see the crap everywhere |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| MissSeoul wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| He's a weirdo. He came to Korea as a Moonie and has no experience or expertise for his new position. |
No, he didn't come to korea as a Moonie, he came to korea as a member of European Culture Fountain.
He was once a host of international tourism program ( introducing famous place in world wide ) on K-TV ( I think it was KBS ). While he was doing that he become real celebrity among korean because his fluent korean and his charming.
Later he had built a factory with his korean brother-in-law, his factory was making some kind of engines ( I have no knowledge what kind engine ) and exported to oversea.
I am VERY GLAD that K-government finally recognized his hard working. |
Doesn't matter. He's still part of a retarded cult that worships an old Korean dude.
The thing about Cham is that on paper he probably looks great. He's done a little of this, a little of that; but the big secret is that he kind of fails at all of it. I know a few jobs of which he's been fired for his personality defects. |
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