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IS this split shift too long for the money?
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martinpil



Joined: 03 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:35 am    Post subject: IS this split shift too long for the money? Reply with quote

HI

There is this adult teaching job going at a recruiter and this is the conditions

Working Hours : 6:30am-12noon and 5:30pm-9:20pm

Monthly Salary : 2.1-2.3

Class Size : 12

Teaching Target : Adult

Housing : Single

Vacation : 10 days

# Of Foreign teacher : total 4


Is this a normal start time? I know you start early with split shifts but 6.30-12 noon?? Then 5.30-9.20pm
Is it taking the michael or is it normal?
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:41 am    Post subject: Re: IS this split shift too long for the money? Reply with quote

martinpil wrote:
HI

There is this adult teaching job going at a recruiter and this is the conditions

Working Hours : 6:30am-12noon and 5:30pm-9:20pm

Monthly Salary : 2.1-2.3

Class Size : 12

Teaching Target : Adult

Housing : Single

Vacation : 10 days

# Of Foreign teacher : total 4


Is this a normal start time? I know you start early with split shifts but 6.30-12 noon?? Then 5.30-9.20pm
Is it taking the michael or is it normal?


Ya, you have 5 hours off in the middle of the day, but you are still talking about working from 630 - 920. It depends on your lifestyle if you can handle this. It is a normal split shift. I know jobs are a little tight now, so if you could handle this you might want to take it for your first year if you don't want to wait for jobs to open up. It's doable, but it will wear you out.

I personally would not take a split shift, but that's me.
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martinpil



Joined: 03 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's 9 hours 20mins a day. Is this normal for a split shift? Shouldn't it be 8 hours a day max? 4 hours in morning and 4 hours in evening or something like that. How can anyone do 9 hours 20 mins a day teaching?
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highdials5



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those hours are the stuff of nightmares!!
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kiknkorea



Joined: 16 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. The salary isn't nearly enough for what they want.

I wouldn't want to do a split shift either, but I guess they're OK for some people. Having a good amount of time during the afternoons to do what you want does sound OK, but the rest of the time would be either work or sleep (for me anyway!)
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anbrainblasta



Joined: 14 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

decline decline decline. thems are crazy hours
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: IS this split shift too long for the money? Reply with quote

martinpil wrote:
HI

There is this adult teaching job going at a recruiter and this is the conditions

Working Hours : 6:30am-12noon and 5:30pm-9:20pm

Monthly Salary : 2.1-2.3

Class Size : 12

Teaching Target : Adult

Housing : Single

Vacation : 10 days

# Of Foreign teacher : total 4


Is this a normal start time? I know you start early with split shifts but 6.30-12 noon?? Then 5.30-9.20pm
Is it taking the michael or is it normal?



Do you actually teach all those hours? Is this 5 days per week? Will you be paid overtime for the hours over 30, or are you signing up to screw yourself?

That would be over 46 hours per week on the job, and the pay would be just about right for 30 hours with no split shift. (OK. Personal bias. Some people actually like or even prefer a split shift with hours free in the middle of the day.)

You should get 3.6 million for those hours.
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E_athlete



Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah this thing is fubar. It basically means you'll have to take 2 naps a day ensuring you will sleep deprived and be completely miserable.

Even if you took it, you wouldnt last it past a month. I'd only consider this bs job if they paid really well. Getting paid 2.1~2.3m for a 24/7 job is a complete and utter exploitation. I'd tell them to go f themselves.
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uk27



Joined: 19 May 2009
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did something similar to this in Europe, albeit not as many hours. After working 6.30 until Noon - and knowing you've got to do 5.40 until 9.20 - there's no way that five hour break in between is going to be spent in relaxation. Do yourself a favour and pass on this job.
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E_athlete



Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious... would anyone take a job like this if they paid you 4.0 mil?
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gaffe



Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Location: N.C.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did similar hours, except the evenings started at 7:30. Ending at 9:20 and getting up early almost killed me. It takes a while to wind down after teaching and the lack of sleep will destroy you.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This all depends on when you actually teach. They have set it up so that if things get busy, they can take advantage of you. However, just because you are scheduled for those hours, doesn't mean you will teach those hours. You are just being scheduled to be available. It's like a public school saying you have to come in at 8:30am to 4:30pm, but they only schedule 22 classes to teach for the week.

Who's gong to come in at 6:30am? I had 9:30am to 11:30am for my morning shift, and students said 9:30 was too early. So, they rescheduled and came at 10am instead. I feel you aren't going to have anyone in the early morning hours.

So, it's basically a late afternoon shift. I would counter offer them and offer to be available, WITH EMPHASIS ON EVENING HOURS FIRST, 5:30-10:30pm.

Then, I would suggest they schedule 9:00am-12:00pm. Anything earlier than 9am could be considered on a case by case basis for overtime.

If later you find you aren't teaching after 9pm, then you can use those1.5 hours and negotiate trading them for coming in earlier if the school gets more morning students who happen to come earlier than 9am on a regular basis. That's why I suggest you bump your working hours up to 10:30pm. Chances are, you won't get students wanting to come in that late, and it gives you something to work with later on if you want to go home earlier.
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
This all depends on when you actually teach.

Who's gong to come in at 6:30am?


By those hours, I assume it's an adult hagwon. The people coming in around 7am are probably business men who are trying to learn English for their job/promotions/etc.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carla wrote:
lifeinkorea wrote:
This all depends on when you actually teach.

Who's gong to come in at 6:30am?


By those hours, I assume it's an adult hagwon. The people coming in around 7am are probably business men who are trying to learn English for their job/promotions/etc.


As I stated, this all depends on when you actually teach.

Let's look at the school. There are 4 teachers? There will be 4 teachers? It looks like the school is preparing to be ready and wants to get teachers to be available. When a student calls up, they want to have a teacher waiting instead of telling the student they will get a teacher. It just looks bad for business when you have to tell the student to wait. So, they will hire a teacher to be there for more hours and get students during that time. It's like unpaid overtime, but in the beginning, the teacher won't actually be teaching.

I don't get the impression the school has a class full of adults waiting for a teacher. When I taught strictly adults in Japan, they always changed their schedule. They were away on business trips, working late, etc...

Things come up. Adult classes are not like children classes, where they simply dump the kids on you and do some errands.

If this is the case though, I would then either choose those morning hours and ONLY schedule 30 hours for that week of actual teaching time or not take the job. If the school wanted the clock to start at 6:30am under this agreement, then I see no reason not to take it.
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:

If this is the case though, I would then either choose those morning hours and ONLY schedule 30 hours for that week of actual teaching time or not take the job. If the school wanted the clock to start at 6:30am under this agreement, then I see no reason not to take it.


I'm confused. Do you think he gets to pick which shift he works? I don't get what you're saying here.
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