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NYC_Seoul
Joined: 11 Dec 2008
Location: Seoul, R.O.K.
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 Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject: E2 Visa - Is it Better to Quit or to Get Fired? |
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A new sheriff's in town at my school, and he's turned out to be (as predicted) a socially inept meglomaniac. That being said, I wa swondering if I could be filled in on a question my co-teachers are unable to answer; is it better on an e2 visa, having worked less than 6 months , to quit, or to be fired?
As I understand it, quitting at certain junctures has it's ups and downs. Recently I was told to quit at 6 months, would meaning not being able to work in Korea until the original contract end date expires (unless you get a letter of release, which this Director basically said noone would get - thus meglomaniac status)
So then what if I get fired? He would have to cancel my visa then right? Then I would only have a Japan Visa run ahead of me before finding new employment?
Any and all information is welcome, thanks all! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: E2 Visa - Is it Better to Quit or to Get Fired? |
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| NYC_Seoul wrote: |
A new sheriff's in town at my school, and he's turned out to be (as predicted) a socially inept meglomaniac. That being said, I wa swondering if I could be filled in on a question my co-teachers are unable to answer; is it better on an e2 visa, having worked less than 6 months , to quit, or to be fired?
As I understand it, quitting at certain junctures has it's ups and downs. Recently I was told to quit at 6 months, would meaning not being able to work in Korea until the original contract end date expires (unless you get a letter of release, which this Director basically said noone would get - thus meglomaniac status)
So then what if I get fired? He would have to cancel my visa then right? Then I would only have a Japan Visa run ahead of me before finding new employment?
Any and all information is welcome, thanks all! |
Whether you quit or get fired...you will still have to provide ALL your documentation again for a new job (at six months). This includes new transcripts, a new CBC...et certera...and these must be notarized. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Though each have their negative implications, I would think that quitting would be preferable to getting fired.
Both will end up being a burden to you, as TUM points out. |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:52 pm Post subject: Re: E2 Visa - Is it Better to Quit or to Get Fired? |
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| NYC_Seoul wrote: |
A new sheriff's in town at my school, and he's turned out to be (as predicted) a socially inept meglomaniac. That being said, I wa swondering if I could be filled in on a question my co-teachers are unable to answer; is it better on an e2 visa, having worked less than 6 months , to quit, or to be fired?
As I understand it, quitting at certain junctures has it's ups and downs. Recently I was told to quit at 6 months, would meaning not being able to work in Korea until the original contract end date expires (unless you get a letter of release, which this Director basically said noone would get - thus meglomaniac status)
So then what if I get fired? He would have to cancel my visa then right? Then I would only have a Japan Visa run ahead of me before finding new employment?
Any and all information is welcome, thanks all! |
"You can't quit, you're fired!"
"You can't fire me, I quit!"
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Anyway, it doesn't matter even if your boss gave you a LOR, because you can't transfer your visa for 9 months. Not much difference between quitting and being fired besides the amount of time it takes. It is probably quicker to quit instead of waiting to get fired. The risk you take with getting fired is getting blacklisted. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:04 am Post subject: |
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What exactly does that mean? One recruiter that got you a school won't work with you again? Or does it mean recruiters share lists of names they deem "bad"? It doesn't seem like it would matter much. As a teacher, you can find out quickly who the major recruiters are and contact them on the phone. You are bound to reach someone eventually who hasn't read "the list". |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| getting blacklisted |
What exactly does that mean? One recruiter that got you a school won't work with you again? Or does it mean recruiters share lists of names they deem "bad"? It doesn't seem like it would matter much. As a teacher, you can find out quickly who the major recruiters are and contact them on the phone. You are bound to reach someone eventually who hasn't read "the list". |
There is actually a website where you can put in a teacher's name and see if they've been reported by another school. It was posted on this board a few months ago I think. Assuming that his boss reports him and doesn't lie, it would be better to look him up and see "quit after x months" than to look him up and see "stopped coming to work everyday, showed up late everyday, etc" or whatever he did to get fired as opposed to just quitting. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| it would be better to look him up and see "quit after x months" |
Yes, that is common sense. However, every recruiter would have to do that, and at every time. If your name is Robert, say it's Bob when you initially make contact. If you are Cynthia, say Cindy. The names won't match exactly, so how can they even be certain it's you?
I have been doing this for 2 years now, and I am going into my 4th school. I talked to about 50 different recruiters each time I made a switch, and none of them took such diligence to background check me. Someone at Footprints couldn't understand why I requested they call at a time which wouldn't bother my family while I was staying with them. They said because of that, I would never get a job through them. Then, a year later, I was emailing 2 recruiters from there discussing job details and scheduling interviews.
I am not questioning the design of a "blacklist" or wondering how it works, I am questioning how effective it is. Do people on this list really have a harder time getting a job? |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:45 am Post subject: |
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Someone at Footprints couldn't understand why I requested they call at a time which wouldn't bother my family while I was staying with them. |
It scares me that people are that stupid. "Because you don't want me to wake your family up in the middle of the night to talk to you whenever I feel like, you must be a problem teacher and you can't work with me!"
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| I am not questioning the design of a "blacklist" or wondering how it works, I am questioning how effective it is. Do people on this list really have a harder time getting a job? |
I don't know anybody on it... so I don't know. I agree with you though, I think most hagwons don't check it. Now, a larger organization might.... who knows? |
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martinpil
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| wouldn't such a blacklist be Libel? It would be libel in the UK. Seems in Korea they can abuse your work anyway they want to. Just threaten to beat them up if they do it and they might not bother then |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| wouldn't such a blacklist be Libel? It would be libel in the UK. Seems in Korea they can abuse your work anyway they want to. Just threaten to beat them up if they do it and they might not bother then |
Yes, before, but so could most of the things said on Dave's, lol. Another poster told me that they changed the law not to long ago to be more in line with America's libel law. You can say anything as long as it's true... with a catch. The catch is that it has to be in the public good. So, a school can say the stuff as long as it's true, and just say they don't want another school to suffer the blah blah blah, and they wouldn't be libel.
In the UK, you can't say things that are true if it's harmful to other's reputation?
Now, a black list that they lie on and you can prove it is another story. |
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Conrad B Hart
Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| Someone at Footprints couldn't understand why I requested they call at a time which wouldn't bother my family while I was staying with them. They said because of that, I would never get a job through them. |
What complete tools. I do wonder about the intelligence, or rather lack of it, of some of these recruiter types (I doubt they have to have a minimum of a BA to get a job). I was recently told I "didn't sound enthusiastic enough on the phone" - FFS, the plonks woke me up at about 5am.
Then one recruiter (based in Canada) couldn't understand the simple fact (as explained several times in clear English) that here (in the UK) we are on BST (British Summer Time) time at the moment which is +1 GMT, so if you call me at the arranged time it will be 4pm your (his) time NOT 5pm when you (he) hope to be running off home, Grrrrrrrrrrr!
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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So when they were rationalizing it to me, they said it was ok because they were calling during working hours in Vancouver. I then said, "Fine, could I have your phone number then, and I'll call you when I get to Korea during my working hours.", they replied, "NO!!! I am not the one looking for a job!!!"  |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| So when they were rationalizing it to me, they said it was ok because they were calling during working hours in Vancouver. I then said, "Fine, could I have your phone number then, and I'll call you when I get to Korea during my working hours.", they replied, "NO!!! I am not the one looking for a job!!!" |
In the words of the great Carlos Mencia, "Dee Dee Dee~!" |
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