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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:35 am Post subject: White cop smacks down 87yr-old black woman |
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All caught on video.
Brute Force: Ohio Police Smack 84-Year Old Frail Woman to Ground
Posted: 2009/08/08
From: Mathaba
Watch the smackdown video.
The frail lady, named as Virginia Dotson and believed to be 84 (some reports say 87), was in the parking lot of a Walmart in Whitehall, Ohio, in August 1, when she was attacked by a woman police officer.
Dotson�s daughter said she left her mother Virginia Dotson in the vehicle while she ran into Walmart for a "necessary purchase in the move she was making with her mother." She said her mother found a steak knife in the vehicle, cut herself out of her seat belt and took the knife with her while searching for her daughter.
She told NBC she was not concerned because she wouldn�t be gone long and her mother doesn�t know how to open seat belts.
It is believed that the confused elderly and frail woman cut herself in the effort to free herself from the seat belt and that some shoppers were alarmed by the sight of the knife still in her hand and blood. It is also believed some children challenged her or spoke to her on account of her carrying the knife and bleeding, and that she may have responded by hitting out at them in her confused state due to her suffering from Alzheimers disease.
A by-stander recorded on video while Whitehall white woman police officer Tammy Scott approached Dotson swiftly whilst simultaneously asking her to put the knife down then without any pause in her approach, grabbed hold of Dobson and smacked her to the ground. Dotson's head cracked open on the concrete and immediately started losing blood.
The witness said that some children "said something about her hating them or something." This appears to have been misreported as Dotson "hitting" them.
The crowd, which included many African-Americans (Black Americans) was incensed at this action and lack of restraint, but was prevented from intervening by Scott and one other armed officer who demanded those present "back off." The police called for reinforcements which arrived soon and dispersed onlookers.
With white U.S. police officers infamous for shooting dead often unarmed black citizens, and receiving no punishment nor demotion for doing so, this was an order that was heeded by all Black people present at the scene in spite of their anguish at the enormity of the unjust situation unfolding with disbelief in front of their eyes.
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benji
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| Its time for the cops in America to just flat out de-police the black community. No more arrests, questioning, being pulled over. Just have a press conference and say African Americans are no longer our concern. |
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thoreau
Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:54 am Post subject: |
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The headline should have read,
Police Officer Subdues Insane Knife Wielding Senior |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| benji wrote: |
| Its time for the cops in America to just flat out de-police the black community. No more arrests, questioning, being pulled over. Just have a press conference and say African Americans are no longer our concern. |
And when things like this happen?:
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Akron police say they aren't ready to call it a hate crime or a gang initiation.
But to Marty Marshall, his wife and two kids, it seems pretty clear.
It came after a family night of celebrating America and freedom with a fireworks show at Firestone Stadium. Marshall, his family and two friends were gathered outside a friend's home in South Akron.
Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family.
The Marshalls, who are white, say the crowd of teens who attacked them and two friends June 27 on Girard Street numbered close to 50. The teens were all black.
''This was almost like being a terrorist act,'' Marshall said. ''And we allow this to go on in our neighborhoods?'' |
http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html
Can they de-police this? |
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benji
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| benji wrote: |
| Its time for the cops in America to just flat out de-police the black community. No more arrests, questioning, being pulled over. Just have a press conference and say African Americans are no longer our concern. |
And when things like this happen?:
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Akron police say they aren't ready to call it a hate crime or a gang initiation.
But to Marty Marshall, his wife and two kids, it seems pretty clear.
It came after a family night of celebrating America and freedom with a fireworks show at Firestone Stadium. Marshall, his family and two friends were gathered outside a friend's home in South Akron.
Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family.
The Marshalls, who are white, say the crowd of teens who attacked them and two friends June 27 on Girard Street numbered close to 50. The teens were all black.
''This was almost like being a terrorist act,'' Marshall said. ''And we allow this to go on in our neighborhoods?'' |
http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html
Can they de-police this? |
No. But if that white family were to happen to pull out a shotgun then or maybe a few days later, then that would also be none of the cops concern.
I guarantee in that scenario if the cops came while they 50 were attacking the white family and a white cop tazed, maced, or shot a black kid there would be hell to pay in the media. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| thoreau wrote: |
The headline should have read,
Police Officer Subdues Insane Knife Wielding Senior |
A frail old lady walking slowly using a cane is insane? Did you even watch the video? The cop had no alternative method to disarm her?
Or are you or anyone in your family a cop? |
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thoreau
Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| thoreau wrote: |
The headline should have read,
Police Officer Subdues Insane Knife Wielding Senior |
A frail old lady walking slowly using a cane is insane? Did you even watch the video? The cop had no alternative method to disarm her?
Or are you or anyone in your family a cop? |
Did you watch the video?
Notice how the video doesn't show anything that happens prior to person being subdued by the police officer. However, the story tells us that the person has walked around waving a knife at people.
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| The man who filmed the scene, Stan Brown, told NBC: 'There was some kids out there talking to this old lady, and they said something about the old lady hitting them or something. |
So you have this old person walking around wielding a knife and she has blood on her.
At the 30 second point in the video (if you pause it) you can see the police officer pointing to the woman and she is waving the knife at her.
Conveniently, the camera starts to move at this point.
Between 40 and 46 seconds if you watch closely you see the woman walking past the police officer. Then the police officer takes her down.
She is not slammed to the ground.
There is a lot of police brutality that goes on. I'm no friend of the cops. This is not an example of police brutality. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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That's really sick. That wasn't right no matter what color the elderly lady is. The cop did the right thing by grabbing the wrist of the old lady, but to slam her down like that? That's so nuts. If she had dropped the knife, she could've came down on it, aside from the headwound she actually received. It was completely unnecessary and unprofessional. The cop should lose her job, since all of the training in the world will never give her the common sense she lacks.
And depolicing blacks won't solve that issue. My grandmother on my father's side was white with blue eyes and did crazy shit when she was in her 80s, but she couldn't help it. Doing crazy shit is what people with Alzheimer's do, but there's a right way and wrong way to handle them. What happened in the video is just a violent and total lack of respect for a helpless human being.
Right now, it's easy to watch the video and simply dismiss the old lady as "a black" but someday that will be some of our parents. Later on, it will even be some of us. Eventually, it will be some of our children. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| thoreau wrote: |
| Then the police officer takes her down. |
But why take her down? She was an 84 year old lady clearly suffering from dementia, not a 20 year old thug looking for trouble.
| thoreau wrote: |
| She is not slammed to the ground. |
The back of her head was bleeding pretty badly. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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The female cop overreacted. She should have been docile with grandma. What I deduce from this episode is that ALL white policemen are racist, and react with brute force when faced with potential felons who happen to be black! I also deduce that bacasper is a freedom fighter who vouches for the poor, innocent, faultless democrat base, and he deserves our support! Praise be to bacasper for bringing to light this foolish police officer who represents ALL white cops! This ploicewoman is obviously racist and hates black people, otherwise why would she have reacted so violently?
A better question would be: if the old lady were white, would bacasper have posted this? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: White cop smacks down 87yr-old black woman |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| It is believed that the confused elderly and frail woman cut herself in the effort to free herself from the seat belt and that some shoppers were alarmed by the sight of the knife still in her hand and blood. It is also believed some children challenged her or spoke to her on account of her carrying the knife and bleeding, and that she may have responded by hitting out at them in her confused state due to her suffering from Alzheimers disease. |
A mentally ill woman wandering around with a knife and attacking people is totally unacceptable, regardless of how old she is.
I'd rather the police officer responded a little too firmly and everyone was safe, as opposed to the police officer responding too gently because "Oh, it's just a poor old black woman," and possibly getting stabbed. Especially since when the police officer asked for the woman to put the knife down, she didn't comply. Hell, she was still struggling for quite some time.
Nothing about this case was excessive police force. They asked her to disarm herself, she refused, they restrained her. The only thing this article shows is exactly what unreasonable standards white police officers dealing with the black community are held too. Look at what the article writer suggests should have been done instead of simply restraining her:
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| Apparently the police officers also made no attempt to size up the situation first, to cordon off the area and then to buy time or attempt at reasoning, nor to use as a last resort more suitable methods such as throwing a net over the octogenarian Dotson if she remained non-compliant. |
Yeah, a mentally ill woman who has reportedly attacked people is walking around with a knife and refuses to disarm herself, and instead of simply restraining her, the police should cordon off the area then throw a net on her, because God forbid a white cop actually touches a black person.
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| The willingness to act swiftly and use maximum force "act first and ask questions later" is an increasingly common method of western police forces ... |
Anyone who thinks what they saw in that video represents "maximum force" -- or even anything remotely near it -- is either mentally ill themselves, or is pushing an agenda. In the case of this article, probably the latter. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
| A better question would be: if the old lady were white, would bacasper have posted this? |
Probably. Wasn't he the one who posted the article about the old white woman getting tasered for refusing to comply with police commands? |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:17 am Post subject: |
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The guy who filmed it can't believe his luck!
I'm sure this can all be resolved with beers at the White House. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:14 am Post subject: Re: White cop smacks down 87yr-old black woman |
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| Fox wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| It is believed that the confused elderly and frail woman cut herself in the effort to free herself from the seat belt and that some shoppers were alarmed by the sight of the knife still in her hand and blood. It is also believed some children challenged her or spoke to her on account of her carrying the knife and bleeding, and that she may have responded by hitting out at them in her confused state due to her suffering from Alzheimers disease. |
A mentally ill woman wandering around with a knife and attacking people is totally unacceptable, regardless of how old she is.
I'd rather the police officer responded a little too firmly and everyone was safe, as opposed to the police officer responding too gently because "Oh, it's just a poor old black woman," and possibly getting stabbed. Especially since when the police officer asked for the woman to put the knife down, she didn't comply. Hell, she was still struggling for quite some time.
Nothing about this case was excessive police force. They asked her to disarm herself, she refused, they restrained her. The only thing this article shows is exactly what unreasonable standards white police officers dealing with the black community are held too. Look at what the article writer suggests should have been done instead of simply restraining her:
| Article wrote: |
| Apparently the police officers also made no attempt to size up the situation first, to cordon off the area and then to buy time or attempt at reasoning, nor to use as a last resort more suitable methods such as throwing a net over the octogenarian Dotson if she remained non-compliant. |
Yeah, a mentally ill woman who has reportedly attacked people is walking around with a knife and refuses to disarm herself, and instead of simply restraining her, the police should cordon off the area then throw a net on her, because God forbid a white cop actually touches a black person.
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| The willingness to act swiftly and use maximum force "act first and ask questions later" is an increasingly common method of western police forces ... |
Anyone who thinks what they saw in that video represents "maximum force" -- or even anything remotely near it -- is either mentally ill themselves, or is pushing an agenda. In the case of this article, probably the latter. |
Agreed. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:57 am Post subject: |
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bacasper:
Please tell me (or rather convince me) that you're not a sock (albeit odorless) of EFL Trainer. The sheer number of posts you make and threads you launch, not to mention stance you take, makes me inclined to think so. Then again, you seem to have a sense of humor and decorum, Mr. Zappa, that BLT lacked.  |
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