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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:05 am    Post subject: I must be crazy! Reply with quote

I'm looking at economic disaster right in the eyes. I'm seeing dudes here from Ivy League colleges because they can't get work. I'm looking at a REAL unemployment rate in America topping 17 percent. The Fed is monetizing the debt. We are all going down the tubes come Christmas when the commercial real-estate debacle happens.

And all you guys want to talk about is getting laid and getting drunk.

Well, I salute you. I wish I was young again! I need a good shag. One more nice shag before the economic apocalypse!

Let me see if I can wake my wife up.
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okayden223



Joined: 05 Jun 2009
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You write about this a lot.
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myeo



Joined: 04 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not convinced we are on the road to a complete economic collapse in the short-term. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess.

I do think the US needs to restructure itself and become a production-based economy again. It had a fun ride as a consumer-based economy and living on credit. I think one of the few ways to reduce unemployment is to start manufacturing 'stuff' again. But the struggle between labour and capital may make that impossible. Although, if Obama's health care bill (whatever it may be -- congresspeople still don't know what it is!) goes through, the real cost of employment in America goes down quite fast as employers don't have to dish out health insurance dollars for employees, from the cradle to grave.

I am interested to see if your after Christmas predictions are accurate. Hyperinflation? Stock crash? Seems like a bit of a doomsday scenario, but I think we may have come awful close between October-December of last year (from what I've read).

Get some sleep asmith!
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

okayden223 wrote:
You write about this a lot.


I'm crazy about it. This is the biggest story of our time. Yet no one reports on it. The commercial real-estate crisis is next. Who talks about it? The Greatest Depression coming up. That's why they are feverishly trying to pass the second stimulus bill. Yet they keep the real reason under the rug.

I knew it in 2006. I made some money on the stock market. And then I started losing. Not much. I'm above my head.

But the stuff I lost on? It was impossible without market manipulation. It went against the laws of supply and demand. The big boys are in charge of everything. I also think the big boys are gonna drag us all down.

I really do believe in an illegal international banking cartel.


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myeo



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, economic decline has bottomed-out in some of the G8 countries. Jobless recovery?
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

myeo wrote:
Also, economic decline has bottomed-out in some of the G8 countries. Jobless recovery?


Jobless recovery? Biggest lie in the world!

We lost 250,000 jobs last year in America. But our unemployment rate went down by .1 percent.

Who is cooking the books?
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

myeo wrote:
I'm not convinced we are on the road to a complete economic collapse in the short-term. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess.

I do think the US needs to restructure itself and become a production-based economy again. It had a fun ride as a consumer-based economy and living on credit. I think one of the few ways to reduce unemployment is to start manufacturing 'stuff' again. But the struggle between labour and capital may make that impossible. Although, if Obama's health care bill (whatever it may be -- congresspeople still don't know what it is!) goes through, the real cost of employment in America goes down quite fast as employers don't have to dish out health insurance dollars for employees, from the cradle to grave.

I am interested to see if your after Christmas predictions are accurate. Hyperinflation? Stock crash? Seems like a bit of a doomsday scenario, but I think we may have come awful close between October-December of last year (from what I've read).

Get some sleep asmith!


Brother, it's going to happen. It's going to be ugly.
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bry0000000



Joined: 30 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asmith wrote:
myeo wrote:
Also, economic decline has bottomed-out in some of the G8 countries. Jobless recovery?


Jobless recovery? Biggest lie in the world!

We lost 250,000 jobs last year in America. But our unemployment rate went down by .1 percent.

Who is cooking the books?


Nobody is cooking the books asmith. Unemployment merely measures the amount of people who are out of work AND are also looking for work. That last part is very important.

Also, the unemployment rate has fallen. People are still loosing their jobs, but at a slower rate than before.

But hang in there because the economy will become stable and we will see positive economic growth within the next two or three years (I say that as someone who was opposed to Obama's stimulus plan in the beginning). In the mean time, study economics. It may give you some peace of mind.
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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I side with Mr.Smith on this. Why do i think the bottom is coming? Despite the rosy picture they are trying to paint, the US overnight rate has not been raised, a sign that the Fed's knees are shaking.

It's like dynamiting an underground shaft. We've seen and heard the explosion, but here comes the part when the ground falls beneath the US--and consequently, global--economy.
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eIn07912



Joined: 06 Dec 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, theres only one thing to do...... wait and see.

if xmas comes and the world comes to an end like asmith says then we call say he's right and then ask him what we should do after.

if, however, he's wrong (which myself and many other intelligent people believe) then we all get to mock him without mercey for listening to kook economists and thinking the sky is going to fall.


if u want some sound commentary, listen to Paul Krugman (Nobel Prize Winning Economist, Ph.D from MIT, Professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton University, and Centenary Professor at the London School of Economics........ and no, u r not smarter than him)

"So it seems that we aren�t going to have a second Great Depression after all. What saved us? The answer, basically, is Big Government."
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bry0000000



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doom and gloom!
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People from the Ivy Leagues here? How come when our school tries to hire we can only find derelicts looking for ESL jobs??
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Sergio Stefanuto



Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eIn07912 wrote:
well, theres only one thing to do...... wait and see.

if xmas comes and the world comes to an end like asmith says then we call say he's right and then ask him what we should do after.

if, however, he's wrong (which myself and many other intelligent people believe) then we all get to mock him without mercey for listening to kook economists and thinking the sky is going to fall.


if u want some sound commentary, listen to Paul Krugman (Nobel Prize Winning Economist, Ph.D from MIT, Professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton University, and Centenary Professor at the London School of Economics........ and no, u r not smarter than him)

"So it seems that we aren�t going to have a second Great Depression after all. What saved us? The answer, basically, is Big Government."


It was Big Government that caused the whole mess. The promise to bail out Wall St caused profligacy. Had that promise not been there, had it been their own money, the profligacy would be a lot less likely.

In future, when businesses fail, they need to know that this is death, the end. In other words, the absence of true capitalism - the survival of the fittest - that was the problem.

Peter Schiff: "Wall St got drunk. But who's buying them alcohol?"
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OnTheOtherSide



Joined: 29 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The job market in America is totally in the gutter. And every year there are tens of thousands of new college grads entering the workforce. Almost EVERYONE in the US gets their B.A. degree these days it seems, so the competition is enormous, and the value of the degree is very weak.

We are seeing the current system collapse. And soon a new world order will begin. A new globalized economic system is on the way.
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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OnTheOtherSide wrote:
The job market in America is totally in the gutter. And every year there are tens of thousands of new college grads entering the workforce. Almost EVERYONE in the US gets their B.A. degree these days it seems, so the competition is enormous, and the value of the degree is very weak.

We are seeing the current system collapse. And soon a new world order will begin. A new globalized economic system is on the way.


Exactly. The current economic system is going bust because of imperfections in the system, namely, lack of accountability, gov't intervention (counter-capitalist actions), globalization and therefore, higher competition, etc. There is no plug to let out the steam, and things went bust. Essentially we had and still do, an unsustainable system that was coasting on fumes until even they ran out.

Asia is set to take over. Why? Younger and larger populations, the advantage of being a second mover and therefore capitalizing on the West's innovation thereby seeing huge economic growth.
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