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Caesar1313



Joined: 03 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:12 am    Post subject: What does Han mean? Reply with quote

Is there any actual definition of "Han"? Is it the Korean word for ethnic Koreans? Does it have any relation , maybe etymologically, to Han Chinese? Just curious if anyone knows.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is an extremely strong feeling of collective lament, suffering and loss. Or that's how it was typically explained to me.
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CA-NA-DA-ABC



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That wiki article is about 恨.

The Han as in "Korea/Korean" is 韓

The "Chinese" Han is 漢

Three different Hans.
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retrogress



Joined: 07 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This from www.baidu.com regarding the Chinese character "han" which is used in Hanguo (ch.) or Hanguk (kr.)

I have inserted brackets with Korean names as reference.

四、国名
4. Country names
  大韩民国(朝鲜半岛政权):又称�南韩�或�韩国�,是当前朝鲜半岛南部的一个国 家,历史上的大韩帝国也常简称韩国。

Da Han Min Guo [kr.Dae Han Min Guk!] (Chaoxian [kr. Chusun] penninsula regime): Also called Nan Han [South Korea] and Hanguo [kr. hanguk], is a kingdom in the former Chaoxian [kr. Chosun] dynasty. In the past Da Han Qin Guo [kr. Dae Han ?? Guk] was also called Hanguo [Kr., Hanguk]

 
http://baike.baidu.com/view/38333.htm

It would be interesting to test your Korean coworkers and see if they know the meaning/ origin of the Han in Dae Han Min Guk, duh duh da dum!

Most probably don't.

That said, since this is a Chinese source, i would expect Koreans to debate it, pulling a mystical rabbit out of a hat with regards to the origin of the word like they do everything else. For my part, I prefer to wage my bets with Chinese history, bent or bent by politics, it prooves itself to not be as bent as what koreans circulate amongst themselves as the great Han.
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CA-NA-DA-ABC



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

retrogress wrote:
This from www.baidu.com regarding the Chinese character "han" which is used in Hanguo (ch.) or Hanguk (kr.)

I have inserted brackets with Korean names as reference.

四、国名
4. Country names
  大韩民国(朝鲜半岛政权):又称�南韩�或�韩国�,是当前朝鲜半岛南部的一个国 家,历史上的大韩帝国也常简称韩国。

Da Han Min Guo [kr.Dae Han Min Guk!] (Chaoxian [kr. Chusun] penninsula regime): Also called Nan Han [South Korea] and Hanguo [kr. hanguk], is a kingdom in the former Chaoxian [kr. Chosun] dynasty. In the past Da Han Qin Guo [kr. Dae Han ?? Guk] was also called Hanguo [Kr., Hanguk]

 
http://baike.baidu.com/view/38333.htm

It would be interesting to test your Korean coworkers and see if they know the meaning/ origin of the Han in Dae Han Min Guk, duh duh da dum!

Most probably don't.

That said, since this is a Chinese source, i would expect Koreans to debate it, pulling a mystical rabbit out of a hat with regards to the origin of the word like they do everything else. For my part, I prefer to wage my bets with Chinese history, bent or bent by politics, it prooves itself to not be as bent as what koreans circulate amongst themselves as the great Han.


Ummm..what are you debating here, exactly?
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Kimchi Cha Cha



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(韩) - means Korean, South Korea. It can also mean fence and is also a surname.

Whereas (汉) - means Chinese people, the Chinese language, the Han (Chinese) Dynasty, the Han river, man, and is also a surname. Interestingly, the Han river which runs through Seoul comes from 漢.

And - means grudge, resentment, hatred and dislike.

All spelt as 한 in Hangeul but with entirely different meanings when you view their Chinese character etymology.
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eIn07912



Joined: 06 Dec 2008
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, according to a "The West Wing" from a couple of years ago, it means a great and unspeakable sadness.

but thats according to TV. and TV never lies, ha
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bixlerscott



Joined: 27 Sep 2006
Location: Near Wonju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand Han 한 to mean, "high one," or, "great one," as in the Han-gang or Han River being the great big river. Hankuk, 한국, the real name of South Korea would mean something like, "great country." And then you have Hanbok which are clearly, "great clothes," compared to the white work clothes common people wore years ago which you rarely, if ever, see in white today. Usually you'll see commoner clothes in brown or purple sold in a 5 days market booth. The hanbok was elite ruling class wear like an expensive Armani suit today is for the CEO man.
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doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CA-NA-DA-ABC wrote:
retrogress wrote:
This from www.baidu.com regarding the Chinese character "han" which is used in Hanguo (ch.) or Hanguk (kr.)

I have inserted brackets with Korean names as reference.

四、国名
4. Country names
  大韩民国(朝鲜半岛政权):又称�南韩�或�韩国�,是当前朝鲜半岛南部的一个国 家,历史上的大韩帝国也常简称韩国。

Da Han Min Guo [kr.Dae Han Min Guk!] (Chaoxian [kr. Chusun] penninsula regime): Also called Nan Han [South Korea] and Hanguo [kr. hanguk], is a kingdom in the former Chaoxian [kr. Chosun] dynasty. In the past Da Han Qin Guo [kr. Dae Han ?? Guk] was also called Hanguo [Kr., Hanguk]

 
http://baike.baidu.com/view/38333.htm

It would be interesting to test your Korean coworkers and see if they know the meaning/ origin of the Han in Dae Han Min Guk, duh duh da dum!

Most probably don't.

That said, since this is a Chinese source, i would expect Koreans to debate it, pulling a mystical rabbit out of a hat with regards to the origin of the word like they do everything else. For my part, I prefer to wage my bets with Chinese history, bent or bent by politics, it prooves itself to not be as bent as what koreans circulate amongst themselves as the great Han.


Ummm..what are you debating here, exactly?
My thought exactly. Well, some people just live in their own worlds. Laughing
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Kimchi Cha Cha



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bixlerscott wrote:
I understand Han 한 to mean, "high one," or, "great one," as in the Han-gang or Han River being the great big river. Hankuk, 한국, the real name of South Korea would mean something like, "great country." And then you have Hanbok which are clearly, "great clothes," compared to the white work clothes common people wore years ago which you rarely, if ever, see in white today. Usually you'll see commoner clothes in brown or purple sold in a 5 days market booth. The hanbok was elite ruling class wear like an expensive Armani suit today is for the CEO man.


Whilst can mean 'large', 'big', 'great'.

The Han is Hanguk (한국) and Hanbok (한복) derive from 韓 meaning 'Korean' while the Han in Han River derives from 漢.
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Shiktang



Joined: 10 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So whats the equivalent in western psychology, if there is one. Westerners don't have such a thing as collective grief. Communnities would go to the dogs if such a group mindset existed.

Jung might have said it was the equivalent of the collective subconscious of group of depressed people who were about to jump off a highrise building.
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riverboy



Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Han:

http://www.comicgenius.com/DiscoFever/downloads/han_solo.jpg
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, hanna means number one. So, maybe han means best or great like someone else mentioned.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shiktang wrote:
So whats the equivalent in western psychology, if there is one. Westerners don't have such a thing as collective grief. Communnities would go to the dogs if such a group mindset existed.

Jung might have said it was the equivalent of the collective subconscious of group of depressed people who were about to jump off a highrise building.


the closest example I can think of is the US during and right after 9-11. After the sadness there was an overwhelming need for "revenge".
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8minutepopsong



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JEWS
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