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raewon



Joined: 16 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:46 pm    Post subject: help with using commas and names Reply with quote

Commas aren't my forte, could someone please confirm that the folllowing commas are indeed correct?

1. This is my friend, Tom.
2. Please meet my friend, Tom
3. My best friend, Sujin, will take part in the marathon race.
4. Sujin, my partner, sings very well.

Thank you.
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iammac2002



Joined: 12 Jun 2009
Location: 'n Beter plek.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I changed my mind again, it's all right. All of it is right. No, it's all left. No, I don't know, do you know?

Last edited by iammac2002 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:35 pm; edited 2 times in total
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, think, it's, fine, too.
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raewon



Joined: 16 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. But can anyone really confirm if they are indeed correct or not.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 & 4 are indisputably correct.

1 & 2 are arguable, maybe more a question of style than grammar. Personally, I would toss those commas as they create possible ambiguity:

This is my friend, Tom. Is the friend's name Tom or is he being introduced to Tom? This is my friend Tom can only be read one way.
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raewon



Joined: 16 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: schwa Reply with quote

Thank you schwa. That clears things up for me.
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Dodgy Al



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/commas.asp
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martypants



Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ulsan, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commas should be used if you would say same the sentence with a slight pause.

"Meet my friend Tom." That would be no pause and would be asking Tom to meet your friend.

"Meet my friend, Tom." Would have a pause and would be asking a 3rd party to meet your friend whose name is Tom.
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MattAwesome



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

martypants wrote:
Commas should be used if you would say same the sentence with a slight pause.

"Meet my friend Tom." That would be no pause and would be asking Tom to meet your friend.

"Meet my friend, Tom." Would have a pause and would be asking a 3rd party to meet your friend whose name is Tom.


best explanation for the first 2. 2nd 2 are good.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

raewon wrote:
Thanks for the replies. But can anyone really confirm if they are indeed correct or not.


Perfect.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
This is my friend, Tom. Is the friend's name Tom or is he being introduced to Tom? This is my friend Tom can only be read one way.


Ah, but to avoid ambiguity, one should write, "Tom, this is my friend."
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martypants



Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ulsan, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

#3 and #4 are correct as originally written.

I am NEVER wrong, unless it was that one time back in band camp...
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buildbyflying



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: To your right. No, your other right.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you look at Strunk and White's Elements of Style you'll note that grammar has changed significantly in what 80 years?
Stating hard and fast rules are pointless. Teach language evolution!
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