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ardentis
Joined: 25 Feb 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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 Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject: Public School Afterschool Question |
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I'm in a bad, BAD afterschool class situation right now -- yes, even during the semester break -- and I need something clarified to know if my vice principal is dicking me around.
Are afterschool program hours included as classroom teaching hours in terms of payment? Also, what is the standard kind of afterschool program? And I know every school is different, but I'm curious.
My afterschool program is four 90-minute classes per week, so it's an extra six hours in addition to my 22 hours of teaching. Should that qualify me for overtime pay? The way my school has decided to pay me is that they pay me 30,000 per kid per month, which means I only make 60,000 per week -- aka, 10,000 per hour. Something about this seems off, but whenever I talk to my co-teacher about it, she just tells me that it's not classroom teaching hours, so I shouldn't get paid overtime.
I know this is rather specific to me, heh, but I think other people would benefit from reading about different kinds of afterschool programs out there. Please let me know, I'm getting incredibly frustrated with my school on this matter and want to know if, say, it'd be possible to take it to a district level. |
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blonde researcher
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being
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| Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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if your classes after school are being paid to you from your school as part of your normal salary each month then your school should be paying you overtime rates.
If you are only doing 6 hours a week then you would probably not be part of any full time after school contract sold to public schools by many private companies
If your school is forcing you to do these hours then you are doing 28 hours and this is under your contract as overtime. You should be seeking advice from the office of education area you were hired for.
If you have no separate contract for these additional hours and no other contract is involved, your school is taking advantage of you and should be paying the overtime.
I would also argue that 4 90 min classes is actually 8 classes of 45 minutes you are doing.
They are adding your teaching hours like a hagwon would do. Normally public school classes are only 45 min or 50 min long |
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ardentis
Joined: 25 Feb 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| blonde researcher wrote: |
if your classes after school are being paid to you from your school as part of your normal salary each month then your school should be paying you overtime rates.
If you are only doing 6 hours a week then you would probably not be part of any full time after school contract sold to public schools by many private companies |
Ack, I should have mentioned that. They pay me separately for it, I had to sign some contract stipulating I would only get 30,000 per student per month. Basically the students had to pay 90,000 for three months, and that's all I get for those three months. It's run just through my school and was "created" by me. I use the quotation marks because while I came up with the original schedule, my school kept pushing me to add more until it basically turned into them creating the schedule that I'm on now. Edit: It was also implied that I would be getting tuition *and* this 30,000 per month, not that the 30,000 per month *was* the tuition.
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| If your school is forcing you to do these hours then you are doing 28 hours and this is under your contract as overtime. You should be seeking advice from the office of education area you were hired for. |
They're not technically forcing me because I apparently had the option of not signing up to do the afterschool program. It's just that it was presented to me as being something I have to do rather than something I volunteer for. I have another offer on the table through the District, and I told my co-teacher that if the VP refuses to let me go, I will refuse to sign the new contract for second semester afterschool program, and that's when she finally told me that, "Oh, that's okay! You don't have to do it if you don't want to!"
| blonde researcher wrote: |
If you have no separate contract for these additional hours and no other contract is involved, your school is taking advantage of you and should be paying the overtime.
I would also argue that 4 90 min classes is actually 8 classes of 45 minutes you are doing.
They are adding your teaching hours like a hagwon would do. Normally public school classes are only 45 min or 50 min long |
That's the thing is they don't pay me by the hour, they just pay me by the student. That in and of itself seems shady to me, but my co-teacher just cries that it's because we're a poor school so we don't get funding, blah blah blah. I did sign a separate contract, although it was just created by the school, and the contract has magically disappeared now that I'm complaining about how I don't get paid on the contracted date. I figure that I signed it, so I know that should mean I basically screwed myself over for arguing for the overtime payment, but if they're not playing by the contract either, that should level out the playing field. Maybe.
It's a mess, and thanks for the reply. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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This is what I would do.
Do your 22 hours, get paid your 22 hours. Then, WITHOUT any signing of another contract, offer to do 20,000 won/hour for overtime.
If you signed something in addition to the first contract, pretend it was a mistake and simply give a week's notice or something that you will no longer be doing that. Stick to the 22 hours and get your overtime if they want you to do it.
If you make too many promises, they will take advantage of you.
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| it's because we're a poor school so we don't get funding |
That's why they DO get funding. The poor schools get the funding. Someone is jerking you around. Do it step by step.
Take one class, get paid. Do another class, get paid. When they get the hint, they will treat you better. Show some fortitude. |
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