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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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 Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:24 am Post subject: your intepretation of the 2 calendar week home leave? |
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I'm curious how people interpret this clause.
My personal interpretation is that it's a 2 week calendar leave in the sense in that if a national holiday falls during that timeframe, you cannot claim an extra day of vacation because of it.
The "Korean" interpretation (given some weight by the use of the word "calendar") is that it's an exact 2 weeks. which I agree with.
EXCEPT:
what if you leave on say a late Friday flight. According to them, you're supposed to back in Korea on the Friday 2 weeks ahead.
HOWEVER
Saturdays and Sundays are not workdays and no one can tell me where I am supposed to be or what I am supposed to be doing. Although a public servant, I am not a policeman or doctor, professions which do work weekends, etc.
As far as I am concerned I can go and party with Kim Jong Il on my weekend or fly to the moon if I can and no one can tell me that I can't.
My parents can't tell me where not to go and what not to do. What makes the Korean Ministries of Education think they can? (on a weekend?)
Slavery ended a long time ago.
It'll be interesting if this comes to a head with the "vacation counters" at my school who are already making this mistake. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:35 am Post subject: |
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I think they should give you the weekend.
However, according to an EPIK contract they might want you to work overtime on the Saturday for 6,000 won per hour, and technically you have to say yes. |
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OculisOrbis
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| no, you can decline any or all overtime. |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| marlow wrote: |
I think they should give you the weekend.
However, according to an EPIK contract they might want you to work overtime on the Saturday for 6,000 won per hour, and technically you have to say yes. |
a bad example because usually all such leave is taken when the school is closed and you've satisfied any camp obligations.
(which was the case with me)
if the Korean Minister of Education were to call me and tell me I had to return that Friday, I'd tell him to kiss my white swine flu infested behind. |
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marlow
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| OculisOrbis wrote: |
| no, you can decline any or all overtime. |
I do unless the price is right, but technically I have nothing in the contract to back me up.
Oh, and in case you didn't catch it, I wasn't entirely serious, as only a tard boss would insist you be back Friday night. |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| marlow wrote: |
| OculisOrbis wrote: |
| no, you can decline any or all overtime. |
I do unless the price is right, but technically I have nothing in the contract to back me up.
Oh, and in case you didn't catch it, I wasn't entirely serious, as only a tard boss would insist you be back Friday night. |
it's not so much insistence, but the fact that they like to count your weekends as part of your "paid vacation".
In fact, the vacation form I had to fill out in my PS.. on that form I was told to count all days, even weekends...
so my 15 work days (aka 3 weeks) turned into 21 or 22 on that Korean form. I warned my handler this was nonsense and I considered this form to be usable for toilet paper. She told me not to worry about it.
Then last week, I get an email from someone saying
"Epicurus teacher, the Borg haram don't feel you are in our midst. Please return as soon as possible because we miss you and we're worried that you are using too much of your paid vacation and you won't have enough to use for winter vacation".
p.s. "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated".
of course the person who said this to me was looking at the toilet paper usable Korean vacation form, and thought I had used up almost 25 days out of my 35) (though they had miscounted the 35 to 33, probably because of the 2 week calendar thingie). |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| Calendar days include weekends and business days do not. If you start your vacation on a Monday some geekie schools wil not let you leave the weekend before. |
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Epicurus
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| D.D. wrote: |
| Calendar days include weekends and business days do not. If you start your vacation on a Monday some geekie schools wil not let you leave the weekend before. |
I agree with you from the standpoint that "calendar" implies exactly THAT.
However, from where I stand, they cannot legislate what I do and do not do on my weekends, this includes where I go and or not go.
Like I said, slavery died quite a long time ago.
Can you imagine any employer trying to legislate or impose conditions on what a person does on their non work days? (outside of Korea or any of the similarly infected Confucian countries). |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| One guy I know was asked not to leave until the Monday and then they asked him to take 3 days abroad and return home early for his 7 day swine flu time. Can you imagine flying out for a 3 day vacation. Can you imagine people being that rude to even suggest that. |
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vonnegutjr
Joined: 24 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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I did just that. I used my ten summer days in two back to back mon-friday stints which also gave me the weekends off. Even though my contract says calender days, why would I request any other calender days off (like Sturday or sunday)? Thankfully, my school does not oppress me and despite 7 days of camp, I got the rest of the 5 weeks off. EPIK is destroying public schools vacation for lowely native English teacher ASSISTANTS. The camp pay is crap (unless your own school does it). Where does all that money go that the kids Mom's pay? Not to me. Thanks EPIK. What other assistant teacher's low on the totem pole have to work for crap and may be required to come in all the time? And then there is this issue with a measley 2 weeks of vacation being reduced to a week and a half because of Saturdays and Sundays.
I realize you're in Gangwondo poster, just ranting like always.
Also, check out the Midnight Runner podcast from ESL member bassexpander. The one I'm thinking of has a "Danger: Teacher in a bad mood," icon next to it. It covers a bit of the ongoing problem wit the massive government recruitment of p-school teachers (emphasis on SMOE) and hints at what may be to come... |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Epicurus wrote: |
"Epicurus teacher, the Borg haram don't feel you are in our midst. Please return as soon as possible because we miss you and we're worried that you are using too much of your paid vacation and you won't have enough to use for winter vacation".
p.s. "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated".
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| OculisOrbis wrote: |
| no, you can decline any or all overtime. |
Well, no, no you can't. Only overtime as defined in the KLSA. But most public school teachers only work 22 hours per week. Read article 7 and 51-53 of the KLSA.
Bottom line...if overtime is in your contract (most EPIK/GEPIK contracts have a clause about six hours of overtime) then yes you have to do it. You might be able to get away with refusing to do it, but given that it's an employer's market now...it's dicey. |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| OculisOrbis wrote: |
| no, you can decline any or all overtime. |
Well, no, no you can't. Only overtime as defined in the KLSA. But most public school teachers only work 22 hours per week. Read article 7 and 51-53 of the KLSA.
Bottom line...if overtime is in your contract (most EPIK/GEPIK contracts have a clause about six hours of overtime) then yes you have to do it. You might be able to get away with refusing to do it, but given that it's an employer's market now...it's dicey. |
yes, however, overtime on Saturdays CAN be refused, I think. You may be asked for up to 6 hours of overtime, but this is only from Mon-Fri. |
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