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would you say Korea is a cheap country to live???
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Is korea becoming to expensive to live here?
YES, Im thinking its time to move on
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 15%  [ 6 ]
NO, not at all still a cheap place
46%
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wouldnt want to make a career here as an ESL teacher on this salary and this economy. better places to go!!
20%
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I cant really do much better else where.. everything I need is right here.$25.000USD a year is sweet for my life!!
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:38 am    Post subject: would you say Korea is a cheap country to live??? Reply with quote

ok I have been here since 97.. It was cheap back in those days but showed a strong force on its way to becoming an expensive place to live.
it might have already been there..

But over the years here, I have met people who told me about the 80's and early 90's .. they said it was dead cheap!!
everything was cheap.. too many to list.. but everything.. they even said hookers on the hill would do you for 10.000won. now its 20.000 A DRINK!.
ok bad example but I thought I would throw it in there..

now.. we have all heard about youngsan. yeah cheap DVD'S...!!!!
are they?? 10.000 won a DVD a pirated DVD, is that cheap???
nikes priced at 70.000 won.. is that cheap???
I heard back in the days nikes were like 20 bucks here..
everything seems to be far to expensive.. ok somethings are cheap..
transportation, buses and subways..

so my point is.. I hear about CHINA.. DVD'S 1 dollar,.. cheap clothes.. nikes, etc.. all way cheaper than here.. even thailand is cheaper than here. what is happening to korea? is it becoming to expensive to live here on a normal teachers salary? or will it??

is it time to move to china?

back in the day teachers made good money , compared to the economy.
now it seems like things are getting more expensive around us. but our salaries are not moving...
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can compare prices in Korea with a country where you'd make a comparable wage (Japan), or with a country where you come from (Canada). Either way I win big time.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, things are cheap in China, but the pay for an ESL er is around half according to some teachers from Shanghai I met when I was in Beijing.
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
You can compare prices in Korea with a country where you'd make a comparable wage (Japan), or with a country where you come from (Canada). Either way I win big time.


Exactly. Considering how much English teachers are paid here compared to other countries, Korea is quite cheap.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They nickel and dime you to death. Ha, I taught that colloquial to my students once..


Itaewondude,

Those pirated cd's used to cost 5K won in 1996-97 as I remember.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best way to measure this, is to look at one's disposable income. I have a disposable income of 1 million won per month. In the UK I would have to be earning considerably more to save that kind of money each month. So, comparitavely, Korea is a cheap place to live. (even if I were to consider the free housing, the UK would be a lot more expensive.)
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batman



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Oh so close to where I want to be

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheap for some things (500cc's of beer, soju, crappy vodka, art supplies, cable service, transportation - scooters, taxi's, trains, buses).
Expensive for other things (imported products, decent clothing, vegetables, fruit, good bread, rice, baby clothes, baby food, diapers).

Right now I am working at home as a stay-at-hom dad.
My son and I rely upon the money that my wife brings home from her teaching job.
We figure, while in Korea, the three of us can live nicely on, about, 800,000 won a month and save the rest.
Don't know if we could do that back home.

But, then, life is about more than money.
If you are not enjoying where you are and what you are doing, who cares how much you are making.
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dominic



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:59 am    Post subject: what the hell... Reply with quote

seoul is the 5th most expensive country to live in the world. meat is rediculous here especailly beef. Bread is outragous and so is cheese, electronics are expensive too. cheap my ass
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can still get a good sized bowl of meaty bone soup for 4,000. That's cheap enough for me.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: what the hell... Reply with quote

dominic wrote:
seoul is the 5th most expensive country to live in the world. meat is rediculous here especailly beef. Bread is outragous and so is cheese, electronics are expensive too. cheap my ass


I think you should take a look at how that is measured. Only 144 cities are examined. For example, in Mercer's examination (widely beleived to be the most creditable) only one city in England is examined. The purpose of the survey is to determine how much employers should allow for employee expenses. It would be pointless to examine other cities in the UK because employers can use London as a benchmark. If other cities were examined Seoul would be pushed down the list. I would imagine that certain towns in Berkshire and Buckinghamshire are more expensive than Seoul. Consider the considerable appreciation of the Euro and the pound against the won, and one would expect this ranking to be pushed further down when their next report is made in the summer.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="batman"]
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But, then, life is about more than money.
If you are not enjoying where you are and what you are doing, who cares how much you are making


thats so true..

so then theoretically most of us should be here for the experience and not The money?? so why do some many of us say no to
teaching in Thailand, japan, cambodia, china, brazil, etc...???
and if its the money,, then is the lifestyle you want?
wouldnt be working as a ummmmmmmmmmmm
I dont know.. A bartender in SOHO New York be a better life style.. get a flat with some cool roommates,order wicked food, go to all the cool clubs, cafes, musuems etc.. Im sure with tips, and hardwork you can earn 3-4 grand a month..

or how about picking Apples or grapes in Holland, or france?
catch my drift here???
Is being ESL teachers in korea.. the Oriental experience you're looking for? is it a short experience? well I know for me and some others we have familes here so its not so easy to run off and set up life again hopping all over..

but what does this all mean? KOREA ESL.. ????
if its not the money,, then what? I think its a balance of all together..
so there for we are korean in disguise..
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bundangbear



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:37 am    Post subject: I don't know what I'm talking about, but Reply with quote

One thing about prices in Korea,

IT IS NOT JAPAN. After living there for 1 1/2 years, I'm moving to Korea. I was in Korea on vacation for a month, and I was astounded at the low cost of food, transportation, taxis, and fun plastic junk.

As far as most teachers go, in Korea, providing you with a paid apartment is the norm; in Japan, it's an abberation. I paid 72,000 yen (=720,000won) for a closet in the Tokyo suburbs! No joke.

So, I've been convinced by friends to cross that Sea of Japan (YES, from now on, I'll refer to it as the East Sea) and make Bundang my home.
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Cthulhu



Joined: 02 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itaewonguy wrote:

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so then theoretically most of us should be here for the experience and not The money?? so why do some many of us say no to
teaching in Thailand, japan, cambodia, china, brazil, etc...???
and if its the money,, then is the lifestyle you want?


The money (and the vacation/travel time) is definitely a biggie for most people--I think most people would admit that even if they didn't want to. There are some lifers who like the country, singles who like the lifestyle and even a few who like the temples or like getting away from home. But as much as I enjoyed Korea I have to admit that I'm happy living elsewhere now. Still miss Korea, though.

But staying for the money is the same in most places. A lot of people don't go to Thailand for the experience--they go there because its so cheap, which is probably why there seem to be so many retired men living there (not including other obvious reasons). I think experience plays a part but not if you are staying somewhere for a long time--most people visit for the experience and stay for the benefits, be they financial or other. I love to travel but I'd like to live somewere nice--that's just me. Some people like roughing it for extended periods, but I think they are in the minority. For a lot of people the best places to live are often the most modern and usually the most expensive (New York, London, Paris, Tokyo etc), and you won't find many on Dave's ESL Cafe living the high life...at least not yet. Wink
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea costs as much as my hometown, which is neither cheap nor expensive. I spend slightly more per month(rent excluded) than I did back home, but I also actually go to bars here.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YES Korea is cheap to live in. I've been to other countries where the average salary is a fraction of the cost here, but the cost of other things is not a fraction of the cost here.

I have no idea how things work that most things are so cheap in combination with being a foreigner, no one is trying to rip you off the difference of the cost savings.
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