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Education office refusing to pay severance?!

 
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nicam



Joined: 14 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: Education office refusing to pay severance?! Reply with quote

Some of the PS teachers who arrived early last year (third week in August) and whose visas expire before the 31st of August, were told they could leave earlier in accordance with their visas, and had their tickets booked and early pay arranged and everything. Now, they have been told by their schools/provincial office that they will not be paid early, and will not get their severance until after they've gone (possibly way after).

None of us are comfortable with being paid after we've left. Not to mention, they are now trying to keep us in the country after our ticketed departure dates playing the "contract ends on the 31st card", meanwhile the weekend starts on the 28th...

Is this normal? Please help!
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OculisOrbis



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

while you may not be comfortable, you will get paid. it's a public school. if it were a hagwon, i would say fight hard to get paid before you finish.

you can request your pay on your last day (they should pay on that day), but they can refuse and since you cant even make a labor claim until two weeks after they are late - there arent many options.

get a KEB account setup with an international cash card and wire transfer account and online banking. you can easily shift the funds from home when they deposit it.
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calicoe



Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the late reimbursement is "normal", or happens a lot. I think just about everyone has to deal with the dilemma of getting their last pay and pension after they leave the country, and of course they will take their time. Best to wait for other advice on this one as I have not yet had to deal with it since my contract has not ended yet.

In terms of them saying yes to leaving early, and then turning around and saying no AFTER you book tickets, I am starting to become suspicious of this as a tactic. There's a chance that it is just normal Korean disorganization and hierarchical politics, but they did the same to me for my vacation: gave me the OK for three weeks, and then just days before I left turned around and asked me to change it. I refused, and so now they have an excuse to take a week of my pay if they so decide.

I'm not sure if this is about money, abuse of power or simple harassment; probably a combination of all three.
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mogbert



Joined: 10 May 2004

PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, my principal was the one that initially allowed me to go 'early' although our contract states that if we leave within 10 days of our contract they will pay for airfare. It doesn't say we HAVE to stay to get serverance and all that jazz though.

I think it's because the head of Gyeongnam is this new lady. Probably trying to do it 'by the book' or some such thing.
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nicam



Joined: 14 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It just doesn't make sense since none of us are teaching during said time, and it'll cost them more in ticket cancellation fees and visa extensions than they may expect to profit by our staying here.

My friend who is set to leave on the 21st is actually using her 7 days holiday in order to leave early, and they still are refusing to let her go. Basically it comes down to ONE day of overlap.

I'm worried for myself, as my ticket is for the 27th, and the 28th is a Friday, so do they expect us all to stay here throughout that weekend and depart in a mass exodus on the Monday (31st)?

Figured it was some new pedantic official over in Changwon behind all this...
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mogbert



Joined: 10 May 2004

PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a demo class for her. She was nitpicking every little thing. So I figured she was the one behind it.
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nicam



Joined: 14 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and my biggest fear is that they are going to try and withhold the severance from us entirely on the basis that we did not technically "complete" the contract by staying until the 31st.

Love how we all got her well before the 31st, and started working well before the 31st, but they just tacked on a few extra days so they could keep us here in the end?! So, it's a year and a week contract I suppose...
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bixlerscott



Joined: 27 Sep 2006
Location: Near Wonju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I inquired back in June about time of final payment and was told it would be September 10th. After explaining my situation that my visa is up on August 31st AND my flight is on August 31st AND the fact you can't access the Korean bank account from outside Korea, I got them to agree to pay me on August 25th. Now I'm all jittery that they won't follow through as they were late paying me 6 times and pulling fast ones now. Especially with calling me last night to move out of my apartment in 2 days from now during my vacation time. I was going to enjoy today through next Sunday in Seoul, but now that's blown. I couldn't even sleep last night and just feel really yucky about this Korea thing at this point. Antzy to be done with it.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a prime example of why you can never trust Ks even though they give their 'word' - it means nothing to them and can/will be disregarded if they think they will 'lose face'; or, upon a directive from the K's 'superior(s)'.

nicam wrote:
It just doesn't make sense since none of us are teaching during said time, and it'll cost them more in ticket cancellation fees and visa extensions than they may expect to profit by our staying here.

I'd be amazed if they agreed to pay: ticket change/cancellation fees; or, the W30,000 for a visa extension... plus the medical exam fee.


nicam wrote:
Oh and my biggest fear is that they are going to try and withhold the severance from us entirely on the basis that we did not technically "complete" the contract by staying until the 31st.

They very well could.


nicam wrote:
Love how we all got her well before the 31st, and started working well before the 31st, but they just tacked on a few extra days so they could keep us here in the end?! So, it's a year and a week contract I suppose...

Your contract is for one year. If the end date of your contract is Aug. 31, the start date would have been Sept. 1 - look at it. Why did people start 'working' before Sept. 1? If by "work", you mean 'orientation', it is unpaid and not part of your contract period (it states so in the contract).

The above is the very reason I tell people starting in PS positions not to be in a hurry to get to K-land. It's to your advantage to be late and find an excuse to arrive after your contract starts - otherwise, your visa (period of sojourn) will expire before your contract does. Nobody listens though, because: they're naive, trusting, excited... and don't understand how 'it' works. Rolling Eyes

*If they're going to start 'jerking you around' with this sort of crap, make sure to use all your 'sick days' (if you're not on holidays). Cool
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be on my way to the National pension office myself to apply for it!

They can tell you if you are correctly in the system, and THEY can set it up to send you the money directly!
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
I'd be on my way to the National pension office myself to apply for it!

They can tell you if you are correctly in the system, and THEY can set it up to send you the money directly!

Yes, get thy butts to the NPS office in Masan to apply for your lump-sum benefits. However, the fact you may have to change your air ticket dates may complicate matters - I'm not sure what (or if anything) happens if a ticket is changed after one applies.
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