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jone1116



Joined: 30 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:33 pm    Post subject: For those of you who actually are trying to learn Korean... Reply with quote

I'm a big fan of learning languages, but I've never been fully immersed like I will be in Korea. I have minimal knowledge right now, just picking up stuff online (reading/writing/random vocabulary words). For those of you who are applying yourself to learning the language, how fluent would you say you are after a year in Korea?
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After a year it seems like a lot of people couldn't string together a sentence without pulling something. I know people who have been here for years and can't do much more than that.

If you just want to survive you can get by without much Korean if any. You'll have a coteacher, korean friends, etc, When you're shopping, you can probably get by without talking at all.

If you were going to school, working at a Korean company, etc you'd be much more immersed. I've met koreans who lived in the US for a couple years and their english isn't that great because they were married women who didn't work. So they stayed home, took care of the kid, and weren't really forced to speak that much English.
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mld



Joined: 05 Jan 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: For those of you who actually are trying to learn Korean Reply with quote

jone1116 wrote:
I'm a big fan of learning languages, but I've never been fully immersed like I will be in Korea. I have minimal knowledge right now, just picking up stuff online (reading/writing/random vocabulary words). For those of you who are applying yourself to learning the language, how fluent would you say you are after a year in Korea?


I've been here 18 months, but I've only seriously tried learning Korean since last October (beyond the basics of numbers, etc.)

I'm able to understand basic sentences and give basic answers and sometimes I can deduce what people are saying in more complex sentences. I can read fairly well (probably about the same as a young Korean child), but not fast - I don't have to decode each consonant sound by sound anymore, but with new and unfamiliar words I do.

Really, I don't feel fluent at all, but I do feel like I've learned a lot. It's just that there is an immense amount of work needed to become fluent. It depends on your situation, motivation and abilities. Good luck to you.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After one year, I was able to hold my own in a conversation, but not about any detailed topics, and I could not express a multitude of ideas.

I remember at my 14 month mark, going to Busan to see an old flame and holding my own all day in only Korean, though she can speak intermediate English. I did it, but had a huge headache at the end of the day.

I improved a lot more when I took classes on the weekend and studied at 2 universities, but I haven't improved much in the last 3 years due to not trying.
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bluelake



Joined: 01 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
After a year it seems like a lot of people couldn't string together a sentence without pulling something. I know people who have been here for years and can't do much more than that.


Guilty Embarassed

I've probably lived in Korea longer than most people here (first lived here twenty-five years ago--been here for the last straight twenty years); heck, I even tell my university students, "Welcome to Korea!" Very Happy However, I'm a lazy language learner.

I spent most of my years in Korea in Gyeongju, which is not exactly a center for learning Korean (except by immersion). My wife speaks fluent English, my son is completely bilingual/bicultural, and I always had to speak English with my colleagues and students. So, I didn't really apply myself to learning the language.

However, with that said, I can understand spoken and written language fairly well and my pronunciation is excellent. My problem is with expressing myself--especially when it comes to conjugating verbs. I have a large Korean vocabulary, but I often have a hard time putting words together.

This year is the first time I ever took a structured Korean language class, as it is required for my Ph.D. program. Last semester, my first, went well, and I improved a lot; still, I have a long way to go. Even after my required language classes are over, I plan to continue on with the more advanced courses.

I have known some people who were only in Korea for a few months, but really studied the language and used it whenever they could, and are now fairly fluent speakers. If you apply yourself like that, you can possibly do the same. Good luck!
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Daegudavid



Joined: 08 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't try much for the first six months, but after that I bought a book and started to learn. My grammar is good, and generally my reading and writing are decent. Speaking, however, isn't my strong point. I struggle in conversation, going anymore than basics.

Learning from co-workers with poor English is helpful for working on your speaking, but unfortunately I'm at a small school with very busy co-workers - not much time for studying.
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pushpin fantasies



Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wouldn't classify life in korea as a truly immersive experience simply because so many people of the people you meet speak at least some english, so many signs are written in english, and so korean many people do not expect (and at times do not want) foreigners to speak korean with them. with that said, if you dedicate a lot of your time to studying after work and find someone to practice speaking with, you should be able to hold a basic conversation - involving simple sentences and verb tenses - after a year. if you take a class, you might be able to do more - but imho you shouldn't expect to be "fluent" after a year because there are many obstacles to learning korean, not the least of which is its dissimilarity from english.
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mc_jc



Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

- Learn the Hangeul alphabet (it�s phonetic)
- Learn how each letter is pronounced
- Then read movie posters and subway and bus signed to get the feel of how words are spelt and pronounced (except for those quadruple compound words or those with consonants that are silent) (basically learn that each Korean word is build consonant-vowel-consonent and that vowels can never be first when writing a word in Korean).
- If you want to get an understanding of Korean grammar before you go, learn Shakespearean English (Old English). A good example of this is reading Shakespeare's Sonnets in its original form. That�s the closest similarity I could find to Korean grammar.
- Then gradually learn Korean words


There you go- Korean!
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dannylelievre



Joined: 11 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off, don't waste your time with university classes or anything that requires money. There are far too many people here willing to do language exchanges (this costs time) for free. If you can pronounce the alphabet and read, there is very little reason to take classes until you get to the extremely advanced grammar that requires explanations from a native. There are tons of free programs online, from Seoul National with does an excellent Novice online course called Click Korean, as well as studykorean101.com or learnkorean101.com, not sure, that offers podcasts and stuff. I'm not going to outright say how to do it, but it is possible to study from the website for free. There is also another intermediate site from UC Berkely at http://www.language.berkeley.edu/korean/10/index.htm

If you take 6 months to study all of those resources you will speak better Korean than any foreigner you will meet here.
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Papa Smurf



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dannylelievre wrote:
First off, don't waste your time with university classes or anything that requires money. There are far too many people here willing to do language exchanges (this costs time) for free. If you can pronounce the alphabet and read, there is very little reason to take classes until you get to the extremely advanced grammar that requires explanations from a native. There are tons of free programs online, from Seoul National with does an excellent Novice online course called Click Korean, as well as studykorean101.com or learnkorean101.com, not sure, that offers podcasts and stuff. I'm not going to outright say how to do it, but it is possible to study from the website for free. There is also another intermediate site from UC Berkely at http://www.language.berkeley.edu/korean/10/index.htm

If you take 6 months to study all of those resources you will speak better Korean than any foreigner you will meet here.


In fairness, it's not that hard to speak better than most foreigners here. I'm still a beginner and i speak better than 90% of the people i know. Those are good resources, but I wouldn't recommend only leanring onlline, and language exchanges are not for everyone. I always ended up wasting half the time chatting about nothing, flirting, and teaching more English than learning Korean. Depends on the person, but it's not that efficient for me. Taking a regular class, with set homework, has been the best way for me.For starters, you get thay guranteed talking time every class, and someone to check that you are actually on the right track. Plus, I feel like the time is used more efficiently because i spend the full time studying, and have goals that are set by the teacher, rather than myself. I'm more likely to not do study if it's only me i have to answer to. If you have time, a languauge exchange on top of a class would be beneficial, to give you that chance to speak korean outside of the classroom. It's not as easy as you would think to practice Korean, because you're not always studying stuff that's dead practical or relevant to the situations you might find yourself in. It's not like you can go up to random old man and say "Hey, have you seen my keys?"

There are plenty of classes u can pay for or if you dont want to pay, there are free classes here and there:

- Sookmyung Women's University does free classes on a Saturday. Not that great but better than nothing.

- Yeoksam Global Center (Yeoksam or Gangnam station) does free classes MWF or TT, and use the same text books as Songang University.

Cheers
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Papa Smurf wrote:
dannylelievre wrote:
First off, don't waste your time with university classes or anything that requires money. There are far too many people here willing to do language exchanges (this costs time) for free. If you can pronounce the alphabet and read, there is very little reason to take classes until you get to the extremely advanced grammar that requires explanations from a native. There are tons of free programs online, from Seoul National with does an excellent Novice online course called Click Korean, as well as studykorean101.com or learnkorean101.com, not sure, that offers podcasts and stuff. I'm not going to outright say how to do it, but it is possible to study from the website for free. There is also another intermediate site from UC Berkely at http://www.language.berkeley.edu/korean/10/index.htm

If you take 6 months to study all of those resources you will speak better Korean than any foreigner you will meet here.


In fairness, it's not that hard to speak better than most foreigners here. I'm still a beginner and i speak better than 90% of the people i know. Those are good resources, but I wouldn't recommend only leanring onlline, and language exchanges are not for everyone. I always ended up wasting half the time chatting about nothing, flirting, and teaching more English than learning Korean. Depends on the person, but it's not that efficient for me. Taking a regular class, with set homework, has been the best way for me.For starters, you get thay guranteed talking time every class, and someone to check that you are actually on the right track. Plus, I feel like the time is used more efficiently because i spend the full time studying, and have goals that are set by the teacher, rather than myself. I'm more likely to not do study if it's only me i have to answer to. If you have time, a languauge exchange on top of a class would be beneficial, to give you that chance to speak korean outside of the classroom. It's not as easy as you would think to practice Korean, because you're not always studying stuff that's dead practical or relevant to the situations you might find yourself in. It's not like you can go up to random old man and say "Hey, have you seen my keys?"

There are plenty of classes u can pay for or if you dont want to pay, there are free classes here and there:

- Sookmyung Women's University does free classes on a Saturday. Not that great but better than nothing.

- Yeoksam Global Center (Yeoksam or Gangnam station) does free classes MWF or TT, and use the same text books as Songang University.

Cheers


I agree a hundred percent. In the beginning, yes, it's okay to study on your own. Learning things like the alphabet and basic questions and answers, how to introduce yourself and whatnot. However, if you're really serious about learning, the best thing to do is get into a class. Studying on your own can become extremely frustrating and take way more time than it needs to when you get stuck on something, and have no one to ask about it.

I also tried studying individually with a Korean friend. So, so easy for it to digress into chitchat. Also, there's no real structure, and although he tried his best, he wasn't a teacher and I got the answer, "Just because," far too often for my liking when asking questions about grammar, why some things are said some ways and others other ways. Also, he was really bad about teaching me the different levels of speech and all of the small changes you have to make for politeness/honorific's sake.

In a class, you have a teacher who is a teacher. You also have a group of other foreigners who are serious about learning the language, which makes it easy to form a study group and even practice speaking. You'd think, being in Korea, practicing speaking would be a cinch, but Koreans usually either a. speak English and are reluctant to speak Korean instead of English, or b. don't speak English and therefore don't understand what it's like to be a beginning language learner, and will speak way too fast or in sentences that are too complicated to fully grasp.

Studying on my own, I'd say my rate of progression was about 10%. With an untrained Korean tutor, maybe 30%. Now that I'm in a class, I'd say 70-80%. I've learned about ten times as much in the last month and a half as I did in the nine months previous, being in a class as opposed to other methods.
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littlelisa



Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
After one year, I was able to hold my own in a conversation, but not about any detailed topics, and I could not express a multitude of ideas.


This is where I am. I've been here almost a year.
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jone1116



Joined: 30 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I have studied Japanese for many years so I think the grammar part will be easier to comprehend. I've been doing some stuff on my own and when I get there I want to definitely take classes, do exchange, and really see how far I can go. I'm a fan of language learning but have never had the chance to really excel by being surrounded by the language. I'm hopeful I'll have a decent grasp by the end of the year..
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oni



Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so can anyone recommend a good place to take classes In Seoul???
Especially the people that have posted above(Papasmurf and I'm no Picasso). I've taken free classes at a place in JunAng Ilbo building that were really helpful for a few months but then next level had no clue what was going on and class was all in Korean.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oni wrote:
so can anyone recommend a good place to take classes In Seoul???
Especially the people that have posted above(Papasmurf and I'm no Picasso). I've taken free classes at a place in JunAng Ilbo building that were really helpful for a few months but then next level had no clue what was going on and class was all in Korean.


You have a great advantage by being in Seoul. I'm in Incheon, where our language learning options are relatively limited.

Anyway, don't dismiss a class that's entirely in Korean. Mine is as well. The first few weeks, I felt I was in completely over my head, but now I almost never have a problem following exactly what's going on in class. My listening skills have improved *so* rapidly, thanks to the fact that my class is taught in Korean. Unfortunately, the teacher lets us get away with asking questions in English (a little necessary at our lower level), so my speaking still hasn't improved much. But I expect that little security blanket will probably get yanked away next semester. They've already started sending us the application forms and information about registering in Korean.

A big hurdle in language learning can often be thinking you can't do things that you really can, if you try. Don't be afraid to push yourself a little harder. It really is a self-motivated kind of thing, I've found. Stop walking past signs assuming you can't understand them because they're in Korean. Try to read the messages you get from all the other teachers at school during the day. Order your food in Korean, even if the wait staff is speaking English. Little things like this are key, on top of a good class.
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