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efemmera



Joined: 28 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:15 pm    Post subject: discipline issues in public schools Reply with quote

I have a friend who worked in a public school who said the children were so cheeky that they would smack him on the arse when he bent over. He said he was powerless to do anything as only Korean teachers have the right to discipline the students. Is this an unusual or common practice. Thanks.
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E_athlete



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: discipline issues in public schools Reply with quote

efemmera wrote:
I have a friend who worked in a public school who said the children were so cheeky that they would smack him on the arse when he bent over. He said he was powerless to do anything as only Korean teachers have the right to discipline the students. Is this an unusual or common practice. Thanks.


Only K-teachers are allowed?

That's weird because all my co-teachers and staff encourage me to take a stick with me and smack students around.

I'd recommend having a K-teacher in the room at all times. The presence of the K-teacher is enough to control the class.
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

efemmera:
If the kid is K-2, it's a sign of affection. Once they find out you're a pussycat, they'll do a lot worse. You're not a pussycat, you're a panther. Demonstrate what a good class is, then they might even become one. They probably won't but one can try. Discipline in Korean elementary is a tightrope walk. It'll take too long to explain it all here. You'll have to do some research. It's your duty to teach them kids. If an action is needed to make them happen, then carry out the action, and stand by your decision.
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efemmera



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting corporal punishment as a form of discipline. Is it commonr for Korean children to be smacked or hit with a stick by their teachers?
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you say common, then no. It's not common practice in elementary. Middle and High schools, different story. It doesn't mean it's outlawed. It's up to you. Do you feel you can discipline a student yourself and handle the subsequent events? What are the subsequent events? A kid might cry and you might get suspended or fired. Maybe your co-teacher will back you up. Do you feel strong enough?

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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: discipline issues in public schools Reply with quote

efemmera wrote:
I have a friend who worked in a public school who said the children were so cheeky that they would smack him on the arse when he bent over. ]He said he was powerless to do anything as only Korean teachers have the right to discipline the students. Is this an unusual or common practice. Thanks.



I'd have advised him to go home, find his spine and pack it this time before coming over again. You are only as powerless as you let yourself be. Ignore what the Korean teachers do or say...if a student puts his or her hands on you...make sure there's Hades to pay.

And that is all.
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Fishead soup



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This behavour is completly unacceptable by Korean standards.
Grab the kid by the ear and drag him into the teachers staff room. Tell everyone in the teachers staff room what he/she did. If they don't treat this sitution serviously start looking for another public school position. You can't afford to let this situation slide.
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Rory_Calhoun27



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it amazes how different some kids will act toward the Foreign and Korean teachers.... and yet the school cannot even accept this as a possibility....

this was just one of a couple recurring themes with my co-teachers, who always somehow were unable to find ANY time for meetings with me to discuss ongoing problems BEFORE they got worse....
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Fishead soup



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rory_Calhoun27 wrote:
it amazes how different some kids will act toward the Foreign and Korean teachers.... and yet the school cannot even accept this as a possibility....

this was just one of a couple recurring themes with my co-teachers, who always somehow were unable to find ANY time for meetings with me to discuss ongoing problems BEFORE they got worse....


You can thank Aryrang TV for a lot of Junk Nationalism in Korea.
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iggyb



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It doesn't mean it's outlawed.

Technically, it is outlawed. But so is prostitution and going 26 MPH in a 25 MPH zone.....This issue comes up in the news every once in awhile, sometimes when a teacher has gone too far, and the current generations of adults - except for perhaps the oldest these days - have bad memories of being disciplined in school and have reformed it some over the years.

At least that is what you get reading the Korean press (in English) over the years. I can't speak for in the classroom.

I remember one story in the news when I was teaching in the 1990s about a teacher, in Cheju-do I think, who took a high school student out to the cemetery at night ---- an odd thing - cemeteries - for Koreans ---- but this teacher took it a step further ---- he dug a hole and buried the kid up to his neck....

That was national news....
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Epicurus



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends on the age of the kid.

today I was walking back from lunch cafeteria and kids were saying hello (i teach hs) and one smart aleck said... pig.... you..... pig..

I know they like saying it to each other.. but in this instance I felt it was directed at me and he was showing off to his friends.

so I walked over and put my arm around him and his neck.. not too hard, but hard enough where he could feel I could snap it without too much effort.

and asked him - what did you say?

he tried getting away from arm... then mumbled... mee.. Englishee.. no.

then I asked did you call ME a pig??

he said.. no no.... and pointed at another kid.

as he's still trying to escape the arm, I tighten it ever so slightly...

said.. PIG?
ME?

and then said a new Korean word/phrase I just learned.

joo-boo-lay?

(do you want to die?)

now his friends are laughing.

I remove my arm, he massages his shoulders and the attempt to look cool in front of his friends probably didn't succeed Very Happy
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Koreans fear the cemetry because they grow up listening to ghost stories. It's sort of like a lullaby, like "Russians are coming", "Swedes are coming", watch out for boogi-man, sandman, told to children to make them go to bed. Toilet ghost is one who fell in the cesspit and died. Virgin ghosts are over-sexed girls who died before marriage so didn't experience her 'first-night'. Do-gge-bi is an underling of the emperor of the underworld. Ga-nan-gui-shin makes you poor a.k.a. your Hagwon-boss.

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iggyb



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember my adults students telling me a rumor that champion female golfer Se Ri Pak's father had forced her to walk backwards at night through a cemetery to hone her nerves...
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Changwon Charlie



Joined: 22 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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joo-boo-lay?

(do you want to die?)

now his friends are laughing


They are laughing at you because your pronunciation is wrong you babo.

Joo-Ga-Lay would what you arte looking for...Joo Boo is a housewife.
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efemmera



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely brilliant!
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