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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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 Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:32 am Post subject: Accepted/Unaccepted Culture |
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In my time living here, I have learned to accept some differences as just different, and others, I don't think I could ever accept, even if I lived here for my whole life.
Accepted:
1. Eating habits. As long as they don't tell me how to eat, I could care less.
2. Education. It gives me a job. Also, the more I think about it, Koreans wouldn't do well in a western style education system.
3. Dokdo. I refuse to talk about it anymore, as it's like hitting your head off a brick wall. Let them have it. They need it.
4. Parenting practices. People have the right to raise their children their own way, unless it interferes with others. I just don't appreciate people telling me how to do it.
5. Bbali Bbali. It is Korea's version of unemployment. Also, I have become this way since living here.
Unaccepted:
1. The concept of the non-person. I have tried to understand it, but it comes down to selfishness, as far I am concerned.
2. The treatment of South-East Asians, Blacks, The Handicapped, etc. Just wrong.
3. Pardoning people every August 15. They pardoned a mass murderer, who is now living his last days up in luxury. Good job Korea.
4. The lack of law enforcement.
5. The Sea of Japan. It's not your language, so shut the hell up. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Accepted/Unaccepted Culture |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
Unaccepted:
1. The concept of the non-person. I have tried to understand it, but it comes down to selfishness, as far I am concerned.
2. The treatment of South-East Asians, Blacks, The Handicapped, etc. Just wrong.
3. Pardoning people every August 15. They pardoned a mass murderer, who is now living his last days up in luxury. Good job Korea.
4. The lack of law enforcement.
5. The Sea of Japan. It's not your language, so shut the hell up. |
1, 2, and 3 can get really messy so I won't bother.
4. Law enforcement where? Most places rely on CCTV. You report a crime and they're check the tape. Cost effectiveness and Efficency wise its a pretty sound plan. You can't bribe the camera. And it never gets tired.
5. If I remember correctly. The Sea of Japan originally belonged to Korea before Korea was colonized by Japan. In anycase Korea and most of East Asia experienced a very nasty occupation by Japan. So the bitterness, no matter how childish it gets at times. Is understandable.
For most of the major Western countries. England and the US have never experienced Colonialism. So it's difficult to relate. |
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frankly speaking
Joined: 23 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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"For most of the major Western countries. England and the US have never experienced Colonialism"
Winterfall, Where did you study History?
True that for many people living today in those countries mentioned have had no experience feeling colonized.
You are forgetting Native Americans, forced colonization and pretty much exclusion and is the only race in America where it is still acceptable to have open prejudice against. You have never heard of a football team called the Washington NIg...., but it is OK to have the REDSKINS.
I actually agree with everything the OP posted. I try to understand and accept most things but there are a few things that you mentioned that I just hold my breath on.
Personally, I don't care about police or law enforcement, it is better in Korea than in Thailand. |
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AgentM
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| frankly speaking wrote: |
"For most of the major Western countries. England and the US have never experienced Colonialism"
Winterfall, Where did you study History? |
No kidding, the US is one of the quintessential examples of colonialism! Along with most other former European Imperial colonies. |
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Joe666
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
Location: Jesus it's hot down here!
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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frankly speaking wrote:
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| You are forgetting Native Americans, forced colonization and pretty much exclusion and is the only race in America where it is still acceptable to have open prejudice against. You have never heard of a football team called the Washington NIg...., but it is OK to have the REDSKINS. |
My post is a bit off topic, but I do not see how the native American sports team references are prejudicial and/or racist. Their skin was red in color. Some peoples are yellow, white, cream, brown, black. So what!
Washington Redskins - Wow, red skin.
Chigaco Blackhawkes - A legitimate tribal name.
KC Cheifs - A reference to a high position in their culture.
FS Seminoles - Again, a tribal name.
Massachusetts - A state name which references the Massasoit tribe of said area.
Illinois - Another state named after a tribe - The Illini.
Chicago - Named after the Indian word for "smelly area" - Chicagoo
Mohawkes - present day people cut their hair in this fashion all the time. They don't cut away the top layers of their scalp to remove the follicles, but some like the look.
There are many more examples. Yes, the British did commit the "nasties" to these people, but I believe Americans hold quite a lot of respect for the native Americans and what they stood for! |
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kirsi
Joined: 29 May 2009
Location: dongtan
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Ohio - Scioto, Olentangy, etc. everything is an Indian name |
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gaffe
Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Location: N.C.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe666 wrote: |
frankly speaking wrote:
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| You are forgetting Native Americans, forced colonization and pretty much exclusion and is the only race in America where it is still acceptable to have open prejudice against. You have never heard of a football team called the Washington NIg...., but it is OK to have the REDSKINS. |
My post is a bit off topic, but I do not see how the native American sports team references are prejudicial and/or racist. Their skin was red in color. Some peoples are yellow, white, cream, brown, black. So what!
Washington Redskins - Wow, red skin.
Chigaco Blackhawkes - A legitimate tribal name.
KC Cheifs - A reference to a high position in their culture.
FS Seminoles - Again, a tribal name.
Massachusetts - A state name which references the Massasoit tribe of said area.
Illinois - Another state named after a tribe - The Illini.
Chicago - Named after the Indian word for "smelly area" - Chicagoo
Mohawkes - present day people cut their hair in this fashion all the time. They don't cut away the top layers of their scalp to remove the follicles, but some like the look.
There are many more examples. Yes, the British did commit the "nasties" to these people, but I believe Americans hold quite a lot of respect for the native Americans and what they stood for! |
The city and haircut names are obviously not racist, just old names, but sports is a different matter. Redskins as a team name is insulting and stupid. As are many of the mascots out there, like Cleveland's and Atlanta's. It's a matter of power. African Americans have the political clout to call someone on naming a team The Blackskins. American Indians have no power whatsoever and are still shit on. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Accepted/Unaccepted Culture |
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It is also easy to turn off a camera, or turn a blind eye to it.
Don't you see aboput 247478347834 crimes everyday, and not one of them are punished? How about every ajosshi smoking right next to a no-smoking sign, and he doesn't fear punishment at all?
Maybe some western laws have become draconian, but it makes for better social order.
About the Sea of japan thing, no one can own a sea. But my main point is trying to tell us how to say it in our language. I don't care at all about what they call it in theirs. English is not an official language of Korea.
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
Unaccepted:
1. The concept of the non-person. I have tried to understand it, but it comes down to selfishness, as far I am concerned.
2. The treatment of South-East Asians, Blacks, The Handicapped, etc. Just wrong.
3. Pardoning people every August 15. They pardoned a mass murderer, who is now living his last days up in luxury. Good job Korea.
4. The lack of law enforcement.
5. The Sea of Japan. It's not your language, so shut the hell up. |
1, 2, and 3 can get really messy so I won't bother.
4. Law enforcement where? Most places rely on CCTV. You report a crime and they're check the tape. Cost effectiveness and Efficency wise its a pretty sound plan. You can't bribe the camera. And it never gets tired.
5. If I remember correctly. The Sea of Japan originally belonged to Korea before Korea was colonized by Japan. In anycase Korea and most of East Asia experienced a very nasty occupation by Japan. So the bitterness, no matter how childish it gets at times. Is understandable.
For most of the major Western countries. England and the US have never experienced Colonialism. So it's difficult to relate. |
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Daegudavid
Joined: 08 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Accepted/Unaccepted Culture |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
4. Parenting practices. People have the right to raise their children their own way, unless it interferes with others. I just don't appreciate people telling me how to do it.
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I agree with your Unacceptable list, and much of the acceptable. However, I don't respect Korea's 'parenting'. The fact is, while Koreans have the right to their own cultural identity, their parenting involves abnormally large amounts of beating. I couldn't condone the level of violence committed against children, just because it's cultural. The same goes for guys beating their wives.
When I first came here, I didn't know how long I could stay. Every day my kindergarteners would come to school with black eyes and bruises all over. My co-worker told me that the kids were being beaten. She said there was nothing I (or she) could do. She was the only mother she knew (or so she said) that didn't beat her kids. |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| you can sum up everything that is wrong in Korea in one word - tribalism |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't you see aboput 247478347834 crimes everyday, and not one of them are punished? How about every ajosshi smoking right next to a no-smoking sign, and he doesn't fear punishment at all? |
Oh please. Rampant crime in Korea? From Smokers? First off no one obeys public no smoking signs anywhere. Just ask any teenager. No I don't see rampant crime everyday, in fact I hardly see crime at all. I do see civil ordinance violations sometimes, but those aren't crimes. There are no 'no-go zones' in my Korean city, unlike my American one. What about the murder rate in every major American city? Good Grief. I don't say America has rampant crime because of jaywalkers or drunks, it has rampant crime because an average of one person a day is gunned down in Detroit/Baltimore/Milwaukee/St. Louis/Oakland/Atlanta/etc.
Are you seriously trying to tell us that Korea is dangerous from a crime standpoint? Dude say that in public and watch the people laugh at you. I mean sure it might be the same as Canada or worse, but it's far closer to Canada's order than America's anarchy. I mean good grief the pizza place I used to work at was robbed at gun/knifepoint approx. 5 times in a 3 year span plus several burglaries.
Ya'll here this- this man is calling Korea DANGEROUS  There was this place called Detroit about 25 min. where I lived- go spend a week there and you'll come running back to Korea. Your kids are safe to go out and play in Korea. Would you let your kids out to play in the Cass Corridor? Would you even live there? Korean Crime- please.
Other than this complete rubbish of a point I completely agree with 1 & 2.
People are pardoned everywhere for whatever reason. Remember all the Bush and Clinton pardon scandals? Of course its corrupt and it probably is more so in Korea. I sorta agree here, in the end, no reason mass-muderers should be pardoned.
As for the Sea of Japan it also isn't any of our business. This is an issue between the Koreans, the Japanese, the Chinese, and the Russians. It is their region so they should have most of the say over how it is named. Of course, Korea would come out the loser in this in all likelihood so go ahead and try Sea-namers.
And yeah, I get tired of Dokdo too, you are right, let them have it, whatever. Methinkgs the strategy on this is to weary the Japanese until they get distracted by more important things and let Korea have its rock.
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| Koreans wouldn't do well in a western style education system. |
Right because there is a total lack of Koreans at Ivy Leagues and top unis and heading up the top of the lists in American H.S.  |
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OnTheOtherSide
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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I think that some of you Americans have forgotten how terrible the US can be. Or maybe you grew up in an especially nice town and didn't see much of the US outside of it. Maybe you went to Korea fresh out of college and never tried to make it in the US on your own?
I don't know what it is. But some of you all have an idealized and romantisized view of what's happening in the US. This country is going down the toilet in at least 20 different ways. Pretty soon Korea WILL be a more desirable place to live if it keeps up like this. |
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Daegudavid
Joined: 08 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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I think that some of you Americans have forgotten how terrible the US can be. Or maybe you grew up in an especially nice town and didn't see much of the US outside of it. Maybe you went to Korea fresh out of college and never tried to make it in the US on your own?
I don't know what it is. But some of you all have an idealized and romantisized view of what's happening in the US. This country is going down the toilet in at least 20 different ways. Pretty soon Korea WILL be a more desirable place to live if it keeps up like this. |
HEY!!! We're not all Americans!!!!
Don't forget that the UK sucks, too. |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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I think that some of you Americans have forgotten how terrible the US can be. Or maybe you grew up in an especially nice town and didn't see much of the US outside of it. Maybe you went to Korea fresh out of college and never tried to make it in the US on your own?
I don't know what it is. But some of you all have an idealized and romantisized view of what's happening in the US. This country is going down the toilet in at least 20 different ways. Pretty soon Korea WILL be a more desirable place to live if it keeps up like this. |
you are right, but the thread is about criticizing Korea not the US. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe666 wrote: |
frankly speaking wrote:
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| You are forgetting Native Americans, forced colonization and pretty much exclusion and is the only race in America where it is still acceptable to have open prejudice against. You have never heard of a football team called the Washington NIg...., but it is OK to have the REDSKINS. |
My post is a bit off topic, but I do not see how the native American sports team references are prejudicial and/or racist. Their skin was red in color. Some peoples are yellow, white, cream, brown, black. So what!
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My grandfather is Native American, and his skin is white, not red---not the color red that people use, especially the Cleveland Indians "mascot". |
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