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Juggertha
Joined: 27 May 2003
Location: Anyang, Korea
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 Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:03 am Post subject: Tape recorded? |
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So today being Friday my throat was a little sore and my energy not at its highest. That being said I was looking forward to the weekend and I usually get a burst of energy late friday night.
My second to last class (a remedial one full of students who have either been moved back or have behavior problems) I'm teaching and trying to inspire their young middleschool minds when I notice something...
one of my students is recording the class! I ask her what she is doing and shes says "mother". I figure her mom asked her to do it so I said.. "its ok, go ahead". I teach the class from then on out with "a little" extra attention thrown her way but for the most part just continuing on.
After the class I tell my boss and she talks (nicely) to the girl. Turns out her mom asked her to do it for review. We gave her a cassette tape of Lets go 5 and said that would be a better way.
If its for review I honestly am cool with it but wish I would have known. If its to check out the class (for her mom) i'm embarrased. The truth is that class is my least enthusiastic.
either way, made for an odd finish to the week. |
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dominic
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:47 am Post subject: well |
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| we have cameras and mics in the rooms at my crap school |
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sadsac
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Gwangwang
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have seen 2 schools now that have cameras and mikes in the classrooms. Parents can sit in a room and view that class on monitors. Technology is coming to Korean hogwans. Not necessarily a good thing.  |
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dominic
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:44 pm Post subject: thats not why |
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| the cameras and mics are there becasue he installed them when we changed buildings just before i started, too bad my recruiter didnt tell me, becasue she knew that i would have rejected the school if i had of known, the cameras werent at the old school but when i came back from canada, they were in the new building and i already had my visa. he put them in because he doesnt trust his teachers, he sits in his office and watches us, it's rediculous and he doesnt understand that it makes for a bad working environment since hes korean and thinks his stupid school is perfect. he didnt do it for the parents since theres only one tv screen, and thats in his office. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: thats not why |
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| dominic wrote: |
| the cameras and mics are there becasue he installed them when we changed buildings just before i started, too bad my recruiter didnt tell me, becasue she knew that i would have rejected the school if i had of known, the cameras werent at the old school but when i came back from canada, they were in the new building and i already had my visa. he put them in because he doesnt trust his teachers, he sits in his office and watches us, it's rediculous and he doesnt understand that it makes for a bad working environment since hes korean and thinks his stupid school is perfect. he didnt do it for the parents since theres only one tv screen, and thats in his office. |
How is this different than any other job with security camera like department store clerks or cashiers, bank tellers, bus drivers, or any of countless other jobs where the person working may be monitored by camera?
If someone wants to watch me teach, power to them. |
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shawner88
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| Man they wouldn't be seeing much in my classroom. They'd get bored and change the channel to the K. teachers really quickly. If they complained, I'd simply wait until payday and quit. There's no way I would want to work for that kind of school anyway. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:13 am Post subject: Re: thats not why |
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| Gord wrote: |
| How is this different than any other job with security camera like department store clerks or cashiers, bank tellers, bus drivers, or any of countless other jobs where the person working may be monitored by camera? |
I didn't know hagwon teachers handled cash in the classroom. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:26 am Post subject: Re: thats not why |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| I didn't know hagwon teachers handled cash in the classroom. |
Are you suggesting that the only jobs back in America that have video cameras watching are on those who handle cash?
Plus cameras in the classroom are becoming quite the fashion back in the homeland.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/08/12/classroom.cameras.ap/
Not that I should have to remind you by linking to any of the metric tonne of news stories Google brings up talking about cameras in schools given the exposure of the footage from the Colombine shootings that were captured on cameras in the schools. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:36 am Post subject: Re: thats not why |
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| Gord wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| I didn't know hagwon teachers handled cash in the classroom. |
Are you suggesting that the only jobs back in America that have video cameras watching are on those who handle cash?
Plus cameras in the classroom are becoming quite the fashion back in the homeland.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/08/12/classroom.cameras.ap/
Not that I should have to remind you by linking to any of the metric tonne of news stories Google brings up talking about cameras in schools given the exposure of the footage from the Colombine shootings that were captured on cameras in the schools. |
In that article the use of the camera is for security purposes. (that overlaps with the cash handling analogy) The purpose of the camera in Korean hagwons is to strengthen the wonjangnim's power over his employees. Maybe you missed that point. Still, an over reliance on google will erode one's commonsense. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:57 am Post subject: Re: thats not why |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| In that article the use of the camera is for security purposes. (that overlaps with the cash handling analogy) The purpose of the camera in Korean hagwons is to strengthen the wonjangnim's power over his employees. Maybe you missed that point. Still, an over reliance on google will erode one's commonsense. |
You are hypothosizing as to the reason why every acadamy with video cameras in the classroom have them without any sort of sampling pool to justify it, yet you are claiming your unsubstantiated hypothesis to be a fact of law? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 7:35 am Post subject: Re: thats not why |
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| Gord wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| In that article the use of the camera is for security purposes. (that overlaps with the cash handling analogy) The purpose of the camera in Korean hagwons is to strengthen the wonjangnim's power over his employees. Maybe you missed that point. Still, an over reliance on google will erode one's commonsense. |
You are hypothosizing as to the reason why every acadamy with video cameras in the classroom have them without any sort of sampling pool to justify it, yet you are claiming your unsubstantiated hypothesis to be a fact of law? |
Nonsense. It is common practice for monitors to be installed in instute lobbies which show what is happening in the classroom. The same would be illegal in the US. We can deduce from this that the purpose of the cameras are different. You produced a link in a bid to show that the purpose of cameras in the US is the same as in Korea but I pointed out the discrepancy. Now, shall we discuss the legal repercussions of putting monitors in the lobbies of American schools, or the use of such material over the internet as permitted in Korea? Law isn't your strongest ground is it? So, don't bother. |
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