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Hyeon Een
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 Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: Left wing, but dont care about climate change |
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It seems that most left wing people are into the environment and agonize over climate change. Most right wingers don't care about climate change and are too busy snacking on baby seals whilst driving their Hummer over orphans.
I lean towards the left, but I don't care about climate change. I don't care about global warming. I don't worry about Co2 emissions and so on.
I'm of the belief that humas are 'nautral'. Whatever we do to this planet is what we as humans should be doing. We're not above nature, we are nature. Furthermore the earth has had plenty of temperature fluctuations in the past and will continue to in the future. We'll get over it.
Am I alone? |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe in it, scientifically, but sit in the skeptic camp regarding the politics of it (green being the new red, that is). I'd care a lot more if it weren't for that. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| What is your science background? |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I fail to see why anyone's background is relevant |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe in taking care of the environment and lean to the left, but do not believe in the "Gore alarmist" BS. |
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soviet_man
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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It is a shame there aren't any socialist reading groups in kimchi land. I think it would help clarify a lot of things such as this for people. Maybe something you should look into when you get to your home country. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| I fail to see why anyone's background is relevant |
To guage the weight of authority of your opinion. There are idiots who think Christianity is older than Judaism, others that think the moon landing was faked. By sharing your opinion you are implicitly asking others to share your POV. It's helpful to know more about that POV. If there is NO grounds for your feeling than raw emotion then your opinion is at best useless and at worst harmful.
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| I think it's safe to say I'm quite informed about climate. Let's just leave it at that. |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:23 am Post subject: Re: Left wing, but dont care about climate change |
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| Hyeon Een wrote: |
I'm of the belief that humas are 'nautral'. Whatever we do to this planet is what we as humans should be doing. We're not above nature, we are nature. |
That seems like a really peculiar thing to say. By doing what we are doing now, we are above nature. |
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tfunk
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:51 am Post subject: |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| I think it's safe to say I'm quite informed about climate. Let's just leave it at that. |
Well, that's one way to avoid a debate. Actually, I was asking the OP. He seems to have set a standard by which EVERYTHING is natural, nothing is unnatural and also that everything natural need not be altered. What a crock. Evertything has consequences. Overbreeding in mammals brings rabies. Lack of sanitation brings cholera. Drinking and driving increases road deaths. Can rape, murder, cannibalism be considered natural and thus its practitioners need not be corrected? The OP floated out an extremely weak premise and I doubted he had any basis for it.
But perhaps the OP is right and everything is natural, including the extinction of mankind. No big loss to him, I guess. Heck, millions believe Jesus will come back and then we can just buy this bar and drink together forever with pie in the sky for anju. |
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
| Can rape, murder, cannibalism be considered natural and thus its practitioners need not be corrected? |
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| But perhaps the OP is right and everything is natural, including the extinction of mankind. |
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Climate change will probably not affect you during your lifetime, and maybe some humans will adapt to a new hotter environment (we've got A/C afterall). But issues such as desertication or rising sea levels will affect the poorest in the world. A 1 degree rise in temperature won't affect NYC, but it'll destroy millions of peoples' crops in Africa: causing suffering in their lifetime.
Maybe massive pollution is a 'natural' result of human development, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't concontrate on its consequences.
Carl Sagan believed the reason advanced civilisations from space haven't contacted us is because they destroy themselves before it's possible... |
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AgentM
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| Carl Sagan believed the reason advanced civilisations from space haven't contacted us is because they destroy themselves before it's possible... |
Now that's a depressing thought!
I'm concerned about climate change and the environment, and try to do my part within reason. However, I honestly don't know if the human race has the will to make the kinds of changes that are necessary...I somehow doubt we do. It would be interesting to see what the Earth is like in 100 years... |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Left wing, but dont care about climate change |
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| morrisonhotel wrote: |
| Hyeon Een wrote: |
I'm of the belief that humas are 'nautral'. Whatever we do to this planet is what we as humans should be doing. We're not above nature, we are nature. |
That seems like a really peculiar thing to say. By doing what we are doing now, we are above nature. |
There's no such thing as being above nature. Humans might be an incredible creature, but they're still a natural phenomenon. Just as termites building a termite mound aren't above nature, just as Amazonian birds that eat a certain type of poison berry, then eat a certain type of clay that neutralizes the poison aren't above nature, nothing humans do puts us above nature.
That said, even if you don't care about the environment for its own sake -- and I don't blame you if you don't -- surely you can see that humans require certain environmental conditions to thrive and prosper. It's in our best interests to maintain our environment, because without it, we'll suffer and perhaps even die. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| RufusW wrote: |
| Carl Sagan believed the reason advanced civilisations from space haven't contacted us is because they destroy themselves before it's possible... |
Very depressing, but I think it's a lot more likely that advanced civilizations from space haven't contacted us because the universe is absolutely immense, and unlike in Star Trek there's no reason to believe casually zipping around the galaxy at speeds many times that of the speed of light is possible.
Given our current understanding of physics, if space-based civilizations exist, it's far more likely that they've colonized their own solar system and created some artificial living spaces orbitting their own sun than that they have some sort of galaxy-spanning Federation. It would take a long time to outgrow the resources of a single solar system once you realize that with sufficiently advanced technology, it's far easier to just build more habitats in space than to actually colonize the planets of other solar systems. |
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