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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject: Grammar help using "first" |
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It was Tom who first reported that meat was a part of a bird's diet.
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It was Tom who reported first that meat was a part of a bird's diet.
The grammar book I have is absolutely useless. "When an adjective has its own complement the whole expression normally comes after the noun. In some cases an adjective can come before a nout and its complement."
That explanation told me nothing. I'm hoping some of you Grammar whiz's can help me out.
I want to explain how putting first before or after reported slightly changes the meaning of the sentence, but I don't know how to put it into words.
First reported is saying Tom was the first to report. But, reported First could also mean Tom was the first to report. Is there a way I can explain the difference between the two without being confusing? |
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Bronski

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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I don't really know, but the first sentence sounds better to me. In the second sentence it sounds like the first could be part of a series of things that Tom reported. However, there's only one thing that Tom reported, but he was the first person to report it.
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It was Tom who reported first that meat was a part of a bird's diet [and second that...blah blah blah]. |
The first sentence sounds less ambiguous to me.
Does that make any sense? I don't know. Just an idea. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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It was Tom who first reported that meat was a part of a bird's diet.
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It was Tom who reported first that meat was a part of a bird's diet.
Because the adverb first in English can come before or after the word it modifies (reported), it's possible for both sentences to mean exactly the same thing. But the first sentence sounds better to me too because it is clearer. The second could be the beginning of a series: Tom reported first that meat was part, etc.; he then reported that bears poop in the mall, and thirdly he reported that the pope is Danish, etc. Context would make the difference clear, but to me the first is better writing.
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys, that is a pretty good way of explaining it. I hate it when teachers hand me sentence and ask me to explain the grammar, without having the rest of the paragraph available to me in order to gauge the context. |
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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:30 am Post subject: |
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pkang0202 wrote: |
Thanks guys, that is a pretty good way of explaining it. I hate it when teachers hand me sentence and ask me to explain the grammar, without having the rest of the paragraph available to me in order to gauge the context. |
Same here, they ask me to explain something out of context and I have to stammer along and tell them, well, if this is the case then this, or if this is the case, then this. Then they inevitably walk away more confused than they were before.
Then they put these ambiguous grammar questions on tests and assume that since I can pick out which sentence sounds better that the students can too, even though another choice isn't necessarily wrong. |
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