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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Something that happened to me friend Reply with quote

This recently happened to a friend of mine and I was wondering if this kind of stuff is common and if you guys can offer advice.

My friend was working at an establishment (not sure if school or hagwon) and taught little kids for a few months, but was offered another job from a different place. She decided to take the job because it was a more established company, got more pay, and taught adults. Since she wasn't working for her old job, she had to move out of her apartment. She went to a motel (which she has to pay for) the new company suggested. They couldn't give her housing until she got through all the training and mock sessions and became an official employee.

So she did all the training and lessons with potential students (who seemed to like her according to my friend). The company delayed actually employing her citing visa issues, which doesn't seem to make sense since its the company's responsibility to sponser the visa. Then they sent her an email saying that they decided not to hire her. Now she's in Korea jobless and with a motel bill. This is my friend's first time in Korea.

I obviously don't know all the details nor do I know the other side of the story, but does this kind of stuff happen often? Do employers promise jobs then decide last minute not to hire after the employee made arrangements to work?
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida



Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Not Korea

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Sometimes an employer will not complete the visa process but want you to still teach. Perhaps the business is in trouble?
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMOE just did this thing to about 100 other teachers.

Considering your friend was actually involved with the new school, I would place my bets that there was something about her they didn't like. Perhaps the way she taught in mock classes? If she was working with potential students, it could have been based on how many of the "potential" students registered for the classes. Not enough students signed up, so they didn't want her.

Sorry for your friend, hope she lands on her feet.
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Tigerstyleone



Joined: 01 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps you don't know the whole story. There are some details she's not telling you. What about her release documents, blood tests, dna sample, proof of insurance ann all that. Or is she just tell you that she quit and moved into a hotel and suddenly they don't want to hire her.

There seems to be a hiccup with her visa so the school found another teacher with all the proper paperwork. Much easier to deal with.
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tigerstyleone wrote:
Perhaps you don't know the whole story. There are some details she's not telling you. What about her release documents, blood tests, dna sample, proof of insurance ann all that. Or is she just tell you that she quit and moved into a hotel and suddenly they don't want to hire her.

There seems to be a hiccup with her visa so the school found another teacher with all the proper paperwork. Much easier to deal with.


But wouldn't that be already be taken care of when she first arrived in the country? How would she enter the country with an E2 and get a job in the first place without proper paperwork? I don't know since I'm not a foreigner so I'm asking.

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Considering your friend was actually involved with the new school, I would place my bets that there was something about her they didn't like. Perhaps the way she taught in mock classes? If she was working with potential students, it could have been based on how many of the "potential" students registered for the classes. Not enough students signed up, so they didn't want her.


Well I don't know about that. But she said that some of the students gave her their personal phone numbers. Does that means they liked her, I don't know. But regardless, why would they offer her a job in the first place if they thought they might not hire her? The impression I got from my friend is that they were completely certain they were gonna hire her otherwise she wouldn't have quit her other job before securing the new one.

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SMOE just did this thing to about 100 other teachers.


Heard about that. Guess its not that uncommon.

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Perhaps the business is in trouble?


No idea. They seem like a really big company though. They have branches and buildings all over the city from what I could gather.
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halfmanhalfbiscuit



Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She`was probably a stop-gap.

Hey! Thanks for working free for a week! Really appreciate it!
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
Tigerstyleone wrote:
Perhaps you don't know the whole story. There are some details she's not telling you. What about her release documents, blood tests, dna sample, proof of insurance ann all that. Or is she just tell you that she quit and moved into a hotel and suddenly they don't want to hire her.

There seems to be a hiccup with her visa so the school found another teacher with all the proper paperwork. Much easier to deal with.


But wouldn't that be already be taken care of when she first arrived in the country? How would she enter the country with an E2 and get a job in the first place without proper paperwork? I don't know since I'm not a foreigner so I'm asking.

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Considering your friend was actually involved with the new school, I would place my bets that there was something about her they didn't like. Perhaps the way she taught in mock classes? If she was working with potential students, it could have been based on how many of the "potential" students registered for the classes. Not enough students signed up, so they didn't want her.


Well I don't know about that. But she said that some of the students gave her their personal phone numbers. Does that means they liked her, I don't know. But regardless, why would they offer her a job in the first place if they thought they might not hire her? The impression I got from my friend is that they were completely certain they were gonna hire her otherwise she wouldn't have quit her other job before securing the new one.

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SMOE just did this thing to about 100 other teachers.


Heard about that. Guess its not that uncommon.

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Perhaps the business is in trouble?


No idea. They seem like a really big company though. They have branches and buildings all over the city from what I could gather.


Sure, she had the paper work to get the first E-2 visa, but if she hasn't worked 9 months, that means she can't transfer her visa, and that she has to have all of the paperwork again. It sucks, trust me it sucks, but that's how it is now. I think those laws were passed because a lot of schools were getting mad because they were paying the way for teachers to come over, and then they hunt around for other jobs and leave the original school.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbies,

Learn from this thread.

As I've said before... K-land will eat the naive and belch unapologetically.
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps, she became nervous when one of the directors came in to watch her. Then, that might have gotten used against her. Anyways, I could easily see that scenario happening as something similar happened to me once.
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't know since I'm not a foreigner so I'm asking.


So, you are Korean? I always had assumed that you were a foreigner.
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asylum seeker



Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yar, it seems fermentation be a pirate!
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ChinaChao1



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: FL/China/Korea wherever!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I learned my lesson and it wasn't even from K-land AND it wasn't even as bad as, "I quit my job and now there is no new job..." It was just putting all my eggs into one basket and being led for almost a month into believing that I had a job but I guess you live and learn.

cruisemonkey wrote:
Newbies,

Learn from this thread.

As I've said before... K-land will eat the naive and belch unapologetically.
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sketcha



Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

as halfmanhalfbiscuit said, could it be a possible con job ..?
get potential teachers to teach classes for free

or used as a 'measuring stick' for new classes, and if not enough students signed for the new class ~ well, sorry ...

but employer here can be fickle at times, and able to change their mind a few times in a second
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe she kept teaching the term "me friend" to the kids.
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T-dot



Joined: 16 May 2004
Location: bundang

PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They probably thought that she could transfer her VISA without a glitch. When they found out that they couldnt, they dropped her.
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