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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:54 pm    Post subject: The SMOE issue Reply with quote

A guy named Brian in jeollanam-do gives SMOE hell in today's Korean Herald.

I don't have a link. I just have a subscription to the paper.

He basically tells SMOE how naughty they were to strand 100 foreigners.

I agree.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Link.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are two important issues here I think, if you don't mind me taking the floor.

1) Yeah, SMOE was naughty. They screwed up, then they kind of blamed foreign teachers themselves for being unreliable. (Though as I mention in this post, the reporter for that article is notoriously bad, and could have made the quotations up himself.) So far as I know we've heard nothing from SMOE---except from that unnamed spokeswoman---and this is a nasty blow to their reputation. It's disrespectful to the teachers they put out, and it's a sad indictment of our standing as "teachers."

Then again, a lot of newcomers don't do their homework, and will probably have no idea about this when they sign their contracts next summer.

2) But, it's also an important lesson for teachers that the market probably won't be in our favor. With the bad economy back home, Korea is getting more and more applicants---even in spite of the bad reputation, which many people might not even know about---and employers can afford to be choosy. Then again, do schools even know "quality" and will they be willing to pay for it?

But it's an important reminder that job markets are often unfriendly. People are often let go, bosses often change their minds, contracts are often not renewed. People come on here and cry foul, but to whom can they cry? Who's listening?

I do think SMOE should be held accountable, but the only way that'd happen is if teachers demand an explanation. If a school pulls something fishy, or illegal, there is little recourse.

From what I can tell, this only made the paper twice: the half-assed Korea Times article, and this opinion piece. Not in the Korean papers, and if it weren't for this site, the news wouldn't have gotten out at all.

Anyway, my fuller thoughts on today's Herald piece are here: http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/09/in-herald-writing-about-smoe-firings.html
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually missed the news.

What was the original piece?

edit: nm, I can see it in your link. Thanks man.
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
There are two important issues here I think, if you don't mind me taking the floor.

1) Yeah, SMOE was naughty. They screwed up, then they kind of blamed foreign teachers themselves for being unreliable. (Though as I mention in this post, the reporter for that article is notoriously bad, and could have made the quotations up himself.) So far as I know we've heard nothing from SMOE---except from that unnamed spokeswoman---and this is a nasty blow to their reputation. It's disrespectful to the teachers they put out, and it's a sad indictment of our standing as "teachers."

Then again, a lot of newcomers don't do their homework, and will probably have no idea about this when they sign their contracts next summer.

2) But, it's also an important lesson for teachers that the market probably won't be in our favor. With the bad economy back home, Korea is getting more and more applicants---even in spite of the bad reputation, which many people might not even know about---and employers can afford to be choosy. Then again, do schools even know "quality" and will they be willing to pay for it?

But it's an important reminder that job markets are often unfriendly. People are often let go, bosses often change their minds, contracts are often not renewed. People come on here and cry foul, but to whom can they cry? Who's listening?

I do think SMOE should be held accountable, but the only way that'd happen is if teachers demand an explanation. If a school pulls something fishy, or illegal, there is little recourse.

From what I can tell, this only made the paper twice: the half-assed Korea Times article, and this opinion piece. Not in the Korean papers, and if it weren't for this site, the news wouldn't have gotten out at all.

Anyway, my fuller thoughts on today's Herald piece are here: http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/09/in-herald-writing-about-smoe-firings.html


It's going to get worse as the depression grows deeper.
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flarestar



Joined: 05 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think anyone that has reading comprehension can tell just how biased the Korea times article was. Some newspaper agency.
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flarestar wrote:
I think anyone that has reading comprehension can tell just how biased the Korea times article was. Some newspaper agency.


Are you talking about this new one? Because if so, you ought to check your own reading comprehension, too...

The opinions expressed here do not necessarily represent those of The Korea Herald. For more of Brian's writings, go to briandeutsch.blogspot.com -- Ed.



If not, sorry.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good job.

This news has certainly been around the different job boards for ESL teachers worldwide. I know teachers in Japan are talking about it.

Korea's ESL reputation took a HUGE hit as a result of this.
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
Good job.

This news has certainly been around the different job boards for ESL teachers worldwide. I know teachers in Japan are talking about it.

Korea's ESL reputation took a HUGE hit as a result of this.


Right now, they've got us by the short hairs because the western economies are so bad.

But the worm always turns.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am stunned, stunned. I never thought I would see the day when the Korea Herald ran a story that wasn't about how Korea exported more turnips to Iceland than Japan did last year. My respect level for the Herald has gone up for running this, just as my respect for the Times has plummeted in light of the fact that they continue to publish Schertzer's shock-talk rants. Excellent article, Brian. It establishes the argument cleanly without sounding whiny.

It is probably true that in the short run there will be enough of a supply of teachers to enable the industry here to abuse people. But in the long run, as China modernizes and becomes more prosperous, there will be fierce competition from there and Vietnam for teachers. The fact that a government agency and not a fly-by-night chain or hogwan hired people and then broke their contracts before the positions even started is the sort of thing that will stain ESL here for years.

I'll go all philosophical here, but in the end, despite whatever the world economy is or whatever factor we might bring up, you get what you pay for. If you treat workers badly, you will get bad workers.

Ken:>
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