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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:15 pm Post subject: Why you shouldn't hire fat people |
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A morbidly obese man working in a pizza shop suffered a back injury when a freezer door hit him at work. He has bad back pain now that needs surgery to be fixed, which his employer was willing to pay. However as he is so fat he can't have the surgery. A court has ruled that his employer has to pay for $25,000 of weight-loss surgery so that he can then go on to have the back surgery.
If I was an employer in the US I'd definitely be putting the obese to the bottom of the pile of applicants now. They're probably inefficient workers in any job that requires moving around anyway.
Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6170874/Pizza-shop-must-pay-for-employees-weight-loss-surgery-court-rules.html |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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If we're going to hold employers accountable in fashions like this, how could we reasonably expect them to not be biased against hiring people like Mr. 380 pounds? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Why you shouldn't hire fat people |
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Hyeon Een wrote: |
A morbidly obese man |
Why isn't the supermarket where he shopped also being held accountable? It did, after all, create the environment that allowed him to buy the (really lean and healthy? ) food that he used to stuff his fat face. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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That poor man. He is clearly the victim of a society and restaurant that promote unhealthy lifestyles. The restaurant probably tricked him into an eating disorder by offering free or discounted pizzas during lunch breaks. He probably felt obligated to accept the pizza as he worked within the confines of the restaurant and had to be around it all day. Then someone attacked him with the freezer door. |
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KuroBara
Joined: 15 Oct 2008 Location: Goyang-Si with a bit of Paju mixed in
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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I am frankly against the verdict because I don't see how the employer was responsible. Accidents happen, and how could the employer have prevented this one?. The employer should not have to pay for anything, not the back surgery or the WLS. Well, maybe some workman's comp.
Also, while I feel that the employee should be responsible for his own weight loss (and any costs incurred for said wl), now that the guy has been injured at work, how is he supposed to exercise to lose weight? What real exercise does not require the use of a strong back? It's not as if the man planned to be hit by a freezer door and expected to need surgery. If the man were thin, would you be happier about the employer having to pay for the back surgery?
If the obese guy had been hit in a car accident and needed the back surgery, and pre-requesite WLS, would you be against the insurance claim paying for both surgeries? |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Not to mention, they eat all the donuts in the break room.
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benji
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:14 am Post subject: |
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I used to work in Human Resources and I did the hiring for our office. I only hired fat or middle aged women. If you hire young pretty girls eventually you will get sexual harrassment lawsuits. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:32 am Post subject: |
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benji wrote: |
I used to work in Human Resources and I did the hiring for our office. I only hired fat or middle aged women. If you hire young pretty girls eventually you will get sexual harrassment lawsuits. |
So, according to this and the article... f***ed if you do, f***ed if you don't? In that case, I think I'd rather get f***ed by the pretty, young girls. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:08 am Post subject: |
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KuroBara wrote: |
I am frankly against the verdict because I don't see how the employer was responsible. Accidents happen, and how could the employer have prevented this one?. The employer should not have to pay for anything, not the back surgery or the WLS. Well, maybe some workman's comp.
Also, while I feel that the employee should be responsible for his own weight loss (and any costs incurred for said wl), now that the guy has been injured at work, how is he supposed to exercise to lose weight? What real exercise does not require the use of a strong back? It's not as if the man planned to be hit by a freezer door and expected to need surgery. If the man were thin, would you be happier about the employer having to pay for the back surgery?
If the obese guy had been hit in a car accident and needed the back surgery, and pre-requesite WLS, would you be against the insurance claim paying for both surgeries? |
No one has to exercise to lose weight. If you eat fewer calories than you burn up you will lose weight, even if all you do is sit and watch TV. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:23 am Post subject: |
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These suits are a huge burden to business. Even if you do everything right you're going to have to deal with it. The way it is set up the only people who are safe to hire are straight, white, Protestant, disability free (including weight) men. They can't really sue for much of anything. Holder said that the hate crimes laws being pushed though will not apply to them (though that's only marginally related to this topic, it speaks to the general idea).
Who would hire a female, gay, muslim, obese (or gorgeous) worker? Even if she is the best worker ever, it's just too much of a risk. Best to stick with the descendants of Mad Men. |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:46 am Post subject: |
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benji wrote: |
I used to work in Human Resources and I did the hiring for our office. I only hired fat or middle aged women. If you hire young pretty girls eventually you will get sexual harrassment lawsuits. |
That is an interesting extra angle on things. I think what you're saying is that if I ever open a business in America I should only employ computer-dork guys. But then again they might end up being hired by Google or something and we'd lose our employees quickly.. hmm..
I think I wanta buy robots or Automatic Selling Machines.
With this many lawsuits I don't think minimum wage is even an issue. It's about minimizing your chances of being sued. |
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catchshime
Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Location: "I am not born for one corner; the whole world is my native land."
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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djsmnc wrote: |
That poor man. He is clearly the victim of a society and restaurant that promote unhealthy lifestyles. The restaurant probably tricked him into an eating disorder by offering free or discounted pizzas during lunch breaks. He probably felt obligated to accept the pizza as he worked within the confines of the restaurant and had to be around it all day. Then someone attacked him with the freezer door. |
Classic. Obama's right: it's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY people! |
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catchshime
Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Location: "I am not born for one corner; the whole world is my native land."
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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By the way, your picture also looks like Richard Simmons to boot.
Like a Pony! |
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