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typo
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 Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject: "all of sudden" vs "all of a sudden" |
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Where I come from, it's always been pronounced "All of a sudden..." I've never heard/read "all of sudden." On the official tests today, I read "All of sudden, I ...." and I'm like, hey, teacher, this is incorrect (stupidly, because it was in front of students and I sorta made my coteacher lose face. damnit.)
Someone fill me in here. Is it an American/British/Australian difference thing? My coteacher insisted "All of sudden" is correct, and actually, her English is quite good so I'm scratching my head here. |
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Scouse Mouse
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gornzilla
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:05 am Post subject: |
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I don't know. I certainly have never seen any typos in any Korean textbooks.
It's a vert clear thing to see in buziness here. Those are both from a work sheet one of my co-workers wrote that I had to use today. He writes textbooks and I wonder what's in there. He was trying to convince me that "amusement parks" are also called "amazement parks".
Another teacher insists that in England asking "Are you sick?" is same same as "Are you pregnant?". No amount of arguing helped on that one. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:35 am Post subject: Re: "all of sudden" vs "all of a sudden" |
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| typo wrote: |
Where I come from, it's always been pronounced "All of a sudden..." I've never heard/read "all of sudden." On the official tests today, I read "All of sudden, I ...." and I'm like, hey, teacher, this is incorrect (stupidly, because it was in front of students and I sorta made my coteacher lose face. damnit.)
Someone fill me in here. Is it an American/British/Australian difference thing? My coteacher insisted "All of sudden" is correct, and actually, her English is quite good so I'm scratching my head here. |
They just have a problem with articles, that's all. With understanding them, using them, and hearing them.
Koreans get taught American English, so it would be surprising if some Britishisms got thrown into the mix. Anyway, this certainly isn't British English. |
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Gibberish
Joined: 29 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| Anyone else love the irony of the OP's name and his post? |
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typo
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| gornzilla wrote: |
I don't know. I certainly have never seen any typos in any Korean textbooks.
It's a vert clear thing to see in buziness here. Those are both from a work sheet one of my co-workers wrote that I had to use today. He writes textbooks and I wonder what's in there. He was trying to convince me that "amusement parks" are also called "amazement parks".
Another teacher insists that in England asking "Are you sick?" is same same as "Are you pregnant?". No amount of arguing helped on that one. |
Right, and I normally would gloss over it, but the thing was, this was taken from the ministry of education's official test. it's kind of a big deal, because those things should be 100% spotless. Now, I'll be the first to admit that dropping the article in the idiom "all of a sudden" is probably the lowest of the low mistakes you could possibly make, nevertheless, it's a mistake and shouldn't have made it past the filters. The teachers, once they found out they were wrong, told me that they expected some of their tests to have some mistakes once in a while, but that specific test should have been spotless.
Anyway, I was just curious. i'm not that traveled, so I didn't know if it could possibly have been a dialect issue.
thanks folks.
edit: i hope roll eks reads this post so he [s]gets insanely bad information regarding[/s]learns how to use commas. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| "all of a sudden" |
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iammac2002
Joined: 12 Jun 2009
Location: 'n Beter plek.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Just like a thread of asams! More proof that Korean co teachers don't always know what they are talking about, not even if they are the head teachers of reputable, big franchise hagwons.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=163927&highlight=
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I had a question about a particular phrase the other day re: how to say 90 minutes versus 30 minutes.
The phrase on the board was "a half and an hour" meaning 90 minutes. I've never heard this expression and in America we say "an hour and a half." Is this a British English phrase? |
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iammac2002
Joined: 12 Jun 2009
Location: 'n Beter plek.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| And btw, haven't you noticed how the students miss the S at the end of plurals when reading and they don't use a/an/the when writing? |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:09 am Post subject: |
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"All of sudden" doesn't make sense. Ask your co-teacher to think it out logically. How can you have all of one division?
One sudden movement
A sudden jerk
Do we say "too sudden"? Take your time, be "less sudden".
"All of" implies there is duration.
All of the hour (the whole hour)
All of THEM, (All of it?) |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| As long as they taught the students to repeat the mistake I guess that's all that matters testwise. |
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Bucky
Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Location: Vancouver (formerly Yongsan-gu, Seoul)
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:45 am Post subject: |
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I've never heard "all of sudden" before. This is my first time.
Stuff like this makes me thankful that my head co-teacher is completely aware that there are likely mistakes in the textbooks (and actually comes to me once in a while to confirm possible errors). |
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Chet Wautlands
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Ha ha. Nice. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| Chet Wautlands wrote: |
Ha ha. Nice. |
| Google wrote: |
No definitions were found for "All of sudden".
Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Search the Web for documents that contain ""All of sudden"" |
| typo wrote: |
| Right, and I normally would gloss over it, but the thing was, this was taken from the ministry of education's official test. it's kind of a big deal, because those things should be 100% spotless. |
The tests from the Korean public schools, ministry of education, and even private schools are filled with errors in the questions, instructions and answers. There are no Koreans qualified to make such tests, and unfortuately many of the Gypos hired to make tests are not really native speakers either.
If Koreans want to get serious about learning English, they need to prohibit Koreans from making the materials and tests. Koreans are especially poor at understanding and explaining English grammar, but they have memorized, in Korean, a ship load of incorrect "grammar" purported to be English. Worse, the K/E and E/K dictionaries are so riddled with translation errors that they should all be burned. No one should be allowed to use them for teaching or translating.
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marlow
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| I hate the discussions I have with K-teachers about this stuff, too. They don't trust me. I'm 31 and I read like a demon. If I think something is wrong and some internet searches and grammar brainstorming confirm it to me, it's wrong. They would want me to show them an answer in some book that says "all of sudden is not correct". |
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