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School wants to see my "graduation card"
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poeticjustice



Joined: 28 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: School wants to see my "graduation card" Reply with quote

They have been hounding me all morning about it. I told them that I have my degree and its in my apartment if they want me to get it, but they want to see my "graduation card" that I should have recieved from my university. I showed them my ARC, my Korean driver's license and my passport but they're not satisfied.

They're really concerned and if I don't find it soon I would not be allowed to work while my university sends me a new card.

All the while I've been explaining to them, over and over again... I didn't get a "graduation card" from my university. Nobody gets a "graduation card." I've never even heard of this concept before. I suppose, maybe, some Korean universities grant them but definitely not in the US!

Anyway, I work for a GEPIK school. The people I'm dealing with have limited English but I speak enough Korean that I was able to confirm what they were requesting. I think this comes from higher up. Anybody else in this boat?
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't have one (I don't never heard of one did a google and no luck). Just tell them you don't have one. "graduation card" ob say yo.

The only other thing I can think of is they want your transcripts
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard of this. Why isn't your degree enough? I've never heard of anyone getting a graduation card. Maybe it's something they give out in Korea, and they probably think that they do the same thing everywhere else.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can contact your university's Registrar and ask for a letter verifying your graduation. What torqued me was I got that letter when I graduated and the Korean government said it was no good, I had to wait for my actual diploma. Then two years ago, the Korean government demanded that I provide that very letter to "prove my diploma is valid!"

Big Mac: You're probably right. I know that at least one college in Busan gives a certificate on demand to its graduates. I went with a friend when she needed one for a job application. It was kind of cool. Transcripts and graduation verifiation certicate printed right at a machine very much like an ATM.
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The_Source



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: School wants to see my "graduation card" Reply with quote

poeticjustice wrote:
They have been hounding me all morning about it. I told them that I have my degree and its in my apartment if they want me to get it, but they want to see my "graduation card" that I should have recieved from my university.


Of course they are convinced that we get graduation cards. After all, Koreans know more about America than we do. Rolling Eyes
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Dodgy Al



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it like a birthday card? Congratulations!

I too think they mean transcripts. Lost in translation...
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lookingforworkinasia



Joined: 14 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got one of these from my University, so they actually exist overseas. I don't understand why a school would need it. I would just tell them I don't have it so no, they cannot see it. If you're with GEPIK call your co-ordinator.
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oskinny1



Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodgy Al wrote:
Is it like a birthday card? Congratulations!

I too think they mean transcripts. Lost in translation...


The school doesn't need transcripts though. No reason everyone at school needs to know that I got a D in New Testament 1101.
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OculisOrbis



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This asinine request is coming courtesy of Senator Kim Sae Yeon. I saw the request from him after my co-teacher began asking me if my diploma was apostiled. WTF!! I'm 8 months into this contract and now youre asking about the validity of documents!?!?! You watched me make a copy of my original for you - so yes, it's real, but no your copy is not apostiled.

It seems he's gathering information on the validity of FT's credentials and instead of using the readily available info from kimmi, he's using the more dependable method of asking individual school to verify documents that have already been repeatedly verified. The purpose of his sleuthing, I dont know, but it probably isnt going to be positive for any of us. If anyone is interested in seeing the request, PM me and I can scan a copy and email it you. If anyone knows what this guy is up to, let us know.
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poeticjustice



Joined: 28 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodgy Al wrote:
I too think they mean transcripts. Lost in translation...


I thought so too... but they want a card. I asked them about the transcripts and they want a card. Plastic. I showed my driver's license and said "이 카드를 사이즈는 같아요?" and they said yes.

However they seemed to have settled (for now) with my degree. I went home and fetched it an hour or so ago. It really isn't a big deal on my part... just go home, get it, bring it back (takes 10 minutes) and I'm done.

This is completely redundant and I pity anyone whose school/hagwon is holding their degree and demands another one for sh*ts and giggles. Ahhh... as much as I detest bureaucracy, I actually wish Korea was better at it.

No other first world nation, especially not one as technologically advanced and anal retentive towards national security as Korea, should have this much difficulty sorting and retaining information about foreign individuals whom they employ to TEACH CHILDREN. FFS.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your mistake is considering the Republic of Korea a first world nation. It's not and, I fear, never will be.
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Your mistake is considering the Republic of Korea a first world nation. It's not and, I fear, never will be.


I have always heard many people say this about different countries, and I really cannot grasp the meaning of "first world" that you are talking about.

The definition of first world is US and allies, secord world is Soviet Union and allies, and third world are all others. By that definition Korea is a first world.

Since there is no longer a SU, the old definitions do not apply anymore. Countries are usually categorized as developed or developing now. (UN)

The World Bank categorizes first world based on certain financial aspects, and they include Korea in the first world.

What definition are you using? A specific one or just a personal one?

And don't think the wrong way, I'm not trying to be a smartass, I just really hear this a LOT and want to know why.
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Countrygirl



Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 years ago, a gypo, if I remember correctly, embezzled some money from a university and it was discovered that she had a fake degree. Of course, fake degree panic of '07 swept the country as fast as the mad cow panic of '08 and swine flu panic of '09.

Everyone working at a GEPIK school had to verify through some means that their degree was valid. Some people only had to go online to their University and pull up something with their name on it with their student number.

Since I went to University so long ago that wasn't possible for me so I told my co-teacher to call the University to verify my degree. Since she put it off until the deadline, she panicked when she found out that it would take up to a week to verify my degree. The VP kept pressuring me to verify my degree and couldn't understand why I couldn't get it done right away like a Korean University. All smiles and 'thank you's when it came through though.

The end result of the fake degree panic was a handful of famous Koreans found to have fake degrees and they lost their jobs or quit in disgrace. Can't remember if any foreign teachers were caught.
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poeticjustice



Joined: 28 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Your mistake is considering the Republic of Korea a first world nation. It's not and, I fear, never will be.


Economically: Yes.
Socially: Nonononononononononononoooooo.

Korea is developed economically but not socially.
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poeticjustice wrote:
CentralCali wrote:
Your mistake is considering the Republic of Korea a first world nation. It's not and, I fear, never will be.


Economically: Yes.
Socially: Nonononononononononononoooooo.

Korea is developed economically but not socially.


Ok, but what is your definition of "socially" first world nations?

There are social graces Koreans lack (I don't deny that), but then so many other countries with these social graces are in a lot worse shape morally.
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