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Mithrae
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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 Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: Does kimchi cause cancer? |
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Koreans keep telling me how healthy Korean food is. Yet Korea has the second highest rate of stomach cancer on the planet. Doesn't sound like Korean food is all that healthy to me.
And if kimchi can cure SARS, aids, swine flu, homosexuality etc., why can't it cure the stomach cancer that plagues Koreans?
Oh yeah, I forgot. Kimchi causes stomach cancer. It would be asking too much to expect it to cure it as well.  |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| i want to know the answer to this as well. I hear that kimchi plus alchohol gives stomach cancer. I wish i had a scientific study or something to look at. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| How about providing some stats before posting retarded threads? Pretty much every food has been implicated as cancer causing at some point. The latest one is ham. Go figure. |
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Mithrae
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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What's retarded about the thread? It is a simple fact that Korea has the second highest stomach cancer rate in the world. That's well known. They eat kimchi three timrs a day. A scientific study done in China two years ago (by Korean Chinese) strongly suggested that kimchi was a major contributor to Korea's stomach cancer phenomenon. Not surprisingly, the report has not been published in Korea. The autin fact, were told quite bluntly 'This report will never be published in Korea." And it hasn't been.
Kimchi is religion in Korea. To acknowledge that it contributes to cancer would be sacrilege. The information might save thousands of lives every year. But to acknowledge the legitimacy of the report would border on national apostacy. Better the thousands die than kimchi's holy name be besmirched.  |
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shinramyun
Joined: 31 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The stomach cancer is caused by koreans chain smoking and drinking soju all night long after working. Stomach cancer is rampant among korean males. |
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CA-NA-DA-ABC
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Mithrae wrote: |
| What's retarded about the thread? |
You.
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| It is a simple fact that Korea has the second highest stomach cancer rate in the world. That's well known. They eat kimchi three timrs a day. |
Correlation =/= causation. Didn't you learn that in high school?
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| A scientific study done in China two years ago (by Korean Chinese) strongly suggested that kimchi was a major contributor to Korea's stomach cancer phenomenon. |
Link?
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Not surprisingly, the report has not been published in Korea. The autin fact, were told quite bluntly 'This report will never be published in Korea." And it hasn't been. Kimchi is religion in Korea. To acknowledge that it contributes to cancer would be sacrilege.
The information might save thousands of lives every year. But to acknowledge the legitimacy of the report would border on national apostacy. Better the thousands die than kimchi's holy name be besmirched. |
Another ESL bum paranoid with consipracy theories. I've read plenty of Korean health columns and newspapers that warn of high-salt content of the Korean diet, including kimchi. Korean food overall is very healthy.
And guess which country has the highest rate of gastric cancer. You guessed it, Japan. I guess their food is poison then, right? |
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brainfreeze
Joined: 04 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Does kimchi cause cancer? |
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| Mithrae wrote: |
Koreans keep telling me how healthy Korean food is. Yet Korea has the second highest rate of stomach cancer on the planet. Doesn't sound like Korean food is all that healthy to me.
And if kimchi can cure SARS, aids, swine flu, homosexuality etc., why can't it cure the stomach cancer that plagues Koreans?
Oh yeah, I forgot. Kimchi causes stomach cancer. It would be asking too much to expect it to cure it as well. |
It's not just Korea with a high rate of stomach cancer but Japan as well. It's always perplexed the scientific/medical community because their incidence rates for other types of cancer are in general lower than the west. It's probably a combination of genetics/environment.
I haven't seen any papers attributing it to Kimchi though. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Electron cloud
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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All I can tell you is this.
Non Korean diet - happy dwaeji with healthy bowel movements.
Start eating Korean food regularly - unhappy dwaeji and lots of splish, splash and splat... |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| CA-NA-DA-ABC wrote: |
| Mithrae wrote: |
| What's retarded about the thread? |
You.
| Mithrae wrote: |
| It is a simple fact that Korea has the second highest stomach cancer rate in the world. That's well known. They eat kimchi three timrs a day. |
Correlation =/= causation. Didn't you learn that in high school?
| Mithrae wrote: |
| A scientific study done in China two years ago (by Korean Chinese) strongly suggested that kimchi was a major contributor to Korea's stomach cancer phenomenon. |
Link?
| Mithrae wrote: |
Not surprisingly, the report has not been published in Korea. The autin fact, were told quite bluntly 'This report will never be published in Korea." And it hasn't been. Kimchi is religion in Korea. To acknowledge that it contributes to cancer would be sacrilege.
The information might save thousands of lives every year. But to acknowledge the legitimacy of the report would border on national apostacy. Better the thousands die than kimchi's holy name be besmirched. |
Another ESL bum paranoid with consipracy theories. I've read plenty of Korean health columns and newspapers that warn of high-salt content of the Korean diet, including kimchi. Korean food overall is very healthy.
And guess which country has the highest rate of gastric cancer. You guessed it, Japan. I guess their food is poison then, right? |
Umm, actually I believe real reality has posted the articles about this several times. Stop calling the OP a noob.
It's a fact that preserved foods have a high amount of carcinogens. You combine that with alcohol, bowel irritating ingredients such as pepper paste, and a fairly low-fiber diet, and you the recipe for cancer.
Japanese food ain't as healthy as it's been mythologized to be. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Electron cloud
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^
Indeed. It's actually the Okinawan diet that is the super healthy one. The Jaapanese diet has never been touted as a wonder diet.
Personally I'd say a mediterraenean diet is the best. Lots of fish, cheeses, olive oil, tomatoes, lots of tomatoes hmmmm, pasta, basil, omg..... Spanish salami.... o heck get me out of this food wasteland and back to Andalucia...!
Well, Korean food is okay, can't beat a nice bitta seoulong tang ro some good calguksoo. Not as nutritious though.... I'd take med food any day though....
sorry, I ramble today. Oriental Breweries! |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
o heck get me out of this food wasteland and back to Andalucia...!
Well, Korean food is okay, can't beat a nice bitta seoulong tang ro some good calguksoo. Not as nutritious though.... I'd take med food any day though....
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Your screen name betrays your sentiments (and vice versa)! |
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brainfreeze
Joined: 04 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
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Indeed. It's actually the Okinawan diet that is the super healthy one. The Jaapanese diet has never been touted as a wonder diet.
Personally I'd say a mediterraenean diet is the best. Lots of fish, cheeses, olive oil, tomatoes, lots of tomatoes hmmmm, pasta, basil, omg..... Spanish salami.... o heck get me out of this food wasteland and back to Andalucia...!
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Actually it's more complicated then that. The Japanese have one of the highest life expectancies in the world, plus they have low rates of heart disease, and certain types of cancer. However they have high rates of stomach cancer. So whether that specifically is purely genetic or not remains to be determined.
As for the Mediterranean diet, it's been proven to lower things like cholesterol, and risk of heart disease. However it's the one most recommended to Western patients mainly because it offers a lot more "taste" to the Western palate then the traditional Japanese diet. I haven't seen any studies that have actually determined which one is more healthier then the other. However in general you'll find Westerners will prepare the Mediterranean diet over the Japanese one simply b/c their traditional diet may be more similar to the Mediterranean one.
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2004: Tokudome S; Ichikawa Y; Okuyama H; Tokudome Y; Goto C; Imaeda N; Kuriki K; Suzuki S; Shibata K; Jiang J; Wang J; Takeda E
The Mediterranean vs the Japanese diet.
European journal of clinical nutrition 2004;58(9):1323; author reply 1324-5.
Just found this one. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Kimchi and soybean pastes are risk factors of gastric cancer
Nan HM, Park JW, Song YJ, Yun HY, Park JS, Hyun T, Youn SJ, Kim YD, Kang JW, Kim H.
World Journal of Gastroenterology. 2005; 11(21):3175-3181.
http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/11/3175.asp
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| Conclusion: Kimchi, soybean pastes, and the CYP1A1 Ile/Val or Val/Val are risk factors, and nonfermented seafood and alliums are protective factors against gastric cancer in Koreans. Salt or some chemicals contained in kimchi and soybean pastes, which are increased by fermentation, would play important roles in the carcinogenesis of stomach cancer. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Electron cloud
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| brainfreeze wrote: |
| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
^^^^
Indeed. It's actually the Okinawan diet that is the super healthy one. The Jaapanese diet has never been touted as a wonder diet.
Personally I'd say a mediterraenean diet is the best. Lots of fish, cheeses, olive oil, tomatoes, lots of tomatoes hmmmm, pasta, basil, omg..... Spanish salami.... o heck get me out of this food wasteland and back to Andalucia...!
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Actually it's more complicated then that. The Japanese have one of the highest life expectancies in the world, plus they have low rates of heart disease, and certain types of cancer. However they have high rates of stomach cancer. So whether that specifically is purely genetic or not remains to be determined.
As for the Mediterranean diet, it's been proven to lower things like cholesterol, and risk of heart disease. However it's the one most recommended to Western patients mainly because it offers a lot more "taste" to the Western palate then the traditional Japanese diet. I haven't seen any studies that have actually determined which one is more healthier then the other. However in general you'll find Westerners will prepare the Mediterranean diet over the Japanese one simply b/c their traditional diet may be more similar to the Mediterranean one.
Edit:
2004: Tokudome S; Ichikawa Y; Okuyama H; Tokudome Y; Goto C; Imaeda N; Kuriki K; Suzuki S; Shibata K; Jiang J; Wang J; Takeda E
The Mediterranean vs the Japanese diet.
European journal of clinical nutrition 2004;58(9):1323; author reply 1324-5.
Just found this one. |
I do like a nice bit of Dwaejimorigukbap. On the WHOLe I prefer the food I've had in Greece, Spain, Turkey etc...
There will always be a few Korean dishes that hold a fond place in my stomach though and whereever I am I'll pop to a Korean restaurant every now and then.
I am looking forward to some Caffe con leche with tostadas con salsa e jamon e roquefort for breakfast though. Korea really is not good for breakfast (to a westerner.) |
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brainfreeze
Joined: 04 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Kimchi and soybean pastes are risk factors of gastric cancer
Nan HM, Park JW, Song YJ, Yun HY, Park JS, Hyun T, Youn SJ, Kim YD, Kang JW, Kim H.
World Journal of Gastroenterology. 2005; 11(21):3175-3181.
http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/11/3175.asp
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| Conclusion: Kimchi, soybean pastes, and the CYP1A1 Ile/Val or Val/Val are risk factors, and nonfermented seafood and alliums are protective factors against gastric cancer in Koreans. Salt or some chemicals contained in kimchi and soybean pastes, which are increased by fermentation, would play important roles in the carcinogenesis of stomach cancer. |
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But there are also genetic factors that may interact with the environmental ones to increase an individual's risk of cancer. So we have no idea if that study actually applies to the Caucasian population or just to the Korean one.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T68-4W3141N-2&_user=791994&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000043404&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=791994&md5=942cca5f01d4a266559438ff184aaa58 |
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