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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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 Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject: SMOE, how many working days do we have? |
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Just wondering. How many working days do SMOE NSET's have? We work year round. I know its somewhere over 220. Though I'm not sure of the exact number. Not including sick days.
Somehow word of my salary broke out, especially since I'm level H and its causing some friction with the other Korean teachers. Damage Control is trying to put the pay and workload into perspective. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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why is it causing friction with them?
don't they end up making a lot more than you after getting a few years' tenure/experience (all the while saving quite a bit while living with mama and papa)? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: SMOE, how many working days do we have? |
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| winterfall wrote: |
Just wondering. How many working days do SMOE NSET's have? We work year round. I know its somewhere over 220. Though I'm not sure of the exact number. Not including sick days.
Somehow word of my salary broke out, especially since I'm level H and its causing some friction with the other Korean teachers. Damage Control is trying to put the pay and workload into perspective. |
How many vacation days do you have? Assuming it's 21, you take no sick days and the Korean holidays fall on weekdays you would work around 230.
How did I get this number? There are 365 days per year or 52 weeks. Since we don't work Saturdays or Sundays that's 104 days taken away from the 365 days leaving 261. Subtract the vacation days and we are down to 240. Now take away around ten days for Korean holidays and we are down to 230. But adding in sport days, exam days and cancelled classes we are probably down below 220 days.
As for the friction the KTS work every second Saturday. So that's 26 days per year they have where they have to come to school but you don't. Even if they don't do sweet-all, they still have to put in face time. That's probably what's causing it.
That said you need no justification other than that you signed a different contract then they did. If they get really shirty, remind them that they get tenure while you don't. Also point out they get bonuses every few months (such as at Chusok, Lunar New Year...) while you don't .
That should quiet them down a bit. |
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Xuanzang
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| They can always see their loved ones as well. We just have a vacation that is centred or catered to the camps. Not always convenient for us. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: SMOE, how many working days do we have? |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| winterfall wrote: |
Just wondering. How many working days do SMOE NSET's have? We work year round. I know its somewhere over 220. Though I'm not sure of the exact number. Not including sick days.
Somehow word of my salary broke out, especially since I'm level H and its causing some friction with the other Korean teachers. Damage Control is trying to put the pay and workload into perspective. |
How many vacation days do you have? Assuming it's 21, you take no sick days and the Korean holidays fall on weekdays you would work around 230.
How did I get this number? There are 365 days per year or 52 weeks. Since we don't work Saturdays or Sundays that's 104 days taken away from the 365 days leaving 261. Subtract the vacation days and we are down to 240. Now take away around ten days for Korean holidays and we are down to 230. But adding in sport days, exam days and cancelled classes we are probably down below 220 days.
That said you need no justification other than that you signed a different contract then they did. If they get really shirty, remind them that they get tenure while you don't. Also point out they get bonuses every few months (such as at Chusok, Lunar New Year...) while you don't .
That should quiet them down a bit. |
Thanks. Everything I needed to know. Though we do get those "Big" (Depending on how you define big) bonuses. Plane ticket reimbursement & the renewal bonus. |
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Bucky
Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Location: Vancouver (formerly Yongsan-gu, Seoul)
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| Xuanzang wrote: |
| They can always see their loved ones as well. |
Very good point. We have to make personal sacrifices to get here, while they don't. Personally, I think that's the biggest factor, even more so than the money issue. They, on the other hand, don't have to make such sacrifices since they're in their hometowns.
I'm lucky that my co-teachers are realizing that right now... I think they're fretting over me too much, actually, always asking me if I'm lonely on the weekends/evenings and stuff. |
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nizpaz
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:24 am Post subject: Re: SMOE, how many working days do we have? |
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| winterfall wrote: |
| Somehow word of my salary broke out, especially since I'm level H and its causing some friction with the other Korean teachers. Damage Control is trying to put the pay and workload into perspective. |
Sorry but how would level H cause friction with the Korean teachers? I dont understand. That's the lowest level on the SMOE salary scale and dont let anyone fool you. Even a sub K teacher fresh out of college will beat that. Add in the bonus they get at the end of term, extra payments for camps that sure in hell beat your measly 300.00 NON OBLIGATORY camp pay. So you get a rabbit hutch for free, big deal they live with mummy and daddy in an apartment with more than one room.
Most of my "experienced" CT's are making upwards of 5mil per month as they sit at the back and yawn, followed by running around headless in the afternoon furthering their own educations on external courses or gaining browney points with the P by doing a "project" then moaning about their work load. Inbetween the cups of tea, food and endless office sqwarking.
There is a standing joke for Korean men. Marry a pretty girl or marry a teacher. K teachers have guaranteed jobs for life with anual pay increases regardless of performance.
Nobody in your school will be getting twisted about your level H salary. They'll bitch about you not working Sat and moan you have "vacation" whilst they forget they get long holidays they're just too afraid to take for fear of falling out of favour.
Dont you justify anything to anyone. For the shit you'll face in your year here, your level H isnt nearly enough. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: SMOE, how many working days do we have? |
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| nizpaz wrote: |
| winterfall wrote: |
| Somehow word of my salary broke out, especially since I'm level H and its causing some friction with the other Korean teachers. Damage Control is trying to put the pay and workload into perspective. |
Sorry but how would level H cause friction with the Korean teachers? I dont understand. That's the lowest level on the SMOE salary scale and dont let anyone fool you. Even a sub K teacher fresh out of college will beat that. Add in the bonus they get at the end of term, extra payments for camps that sure in hell beat your measly 300.00 NON OBLIGATORY camp pay. So you get a rabbit hutch for free, big deal they live with mummy and daddy in an apartment with more than one room.
Most of my "experienced" CT's are making upwards of 5mil per month as they sit at the back and yawn, followed by running around headless in the afternoon furthering their own educations on external courses or gaining browney points with the P by doing a "project" then moaning about their work load. Inbetween the cups of tea, food and endless office sqwarking.
There is a standing joke for Korean men. Marry a pretty girl or marry a teacher. K teachers have guaranteed jobs for life with anual pay increases regardless of performance.
Nobody in your school will be getting twisted about your level H salary. They'll bitch about you not working Sat and moan you have "vacation" whilst they forget they get long holidays they're just too afraid to take for fear of falling out of favour.
Dont you justify anything to anyone. For the shit you'll face in your year here, your level H isnt nearly enough. |
Ohh I hear you. It's just my job status is very weird. I was recruited, trained, and placed by SMOE. And I can still go to SMOE if something dire comes up. But, where I'm at is a private school and all the teachers were hired by the school, not by the government. From what I've been able to piece together. They don't get paid as much as public school teachers. Probably around half.
But I've earned the crazy workaholic foreigner reputation at my school. So they're jealous but its in the form of wise cracks and certain amount of coldness. So far nothing in the realm of piling on the work to make me "Earn" my money. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: SMOE, how many working days do we have? |
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| winterfall wrote: |
| Just wondering. How many working days do SMOE NSET's have? We work year round. I know its somewhere over 220. Though I'm not sure of the exact number. Not including sick days. |
You will work about the same number of days as most of the Korean teachers. That's because they have the 1/2 day Saturdays and most of them don't have to do "camps."
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| Somehow word of my salary broke out, |
"Somehow?" Best piece of advice I've gotten here was, "Get it out of your head that anything concerning you is not public knowledge." If someone overhears you talking to a member of the opposite sex on the phone, all of a sudden, you have a significant other. If you go to a clinic for ENT, people will worry that you're carrying Swine Flu.
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| especially since I'm level H and its causing some friction with the other Korean teachers. |
Other Korean teachers? You're not a Korean teacher.
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| Damage Control is trying to put the pay and workload into perspective. |
Here's the way to put it into perspective:
- Korean teachers do not have to reapply for their jobs on an annual basis.
- Korean teachers do not have to submit an annual police clearance from an area where they haven't lived for years.
- Korean teachers get a good bonus twice a year.
And it doesn't matter that you're placed in a private school. The public school administration elected to participate in a government program, EPIK, and that's the program you're with. Your public school may be the one actually depositing the money into your bank account but they got the funds directly from the government for that express purpose. |
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