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thoreau
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 Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:18 am Post subject: Early Spankings Make for Aggressive Toddlers, Study Shows |
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Think I'll discuss this at the next teacher's workshop.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20090916/hl_hsn/earlyspankingsmakeforaggressivetoddlersstudyshows
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Researchers chose a sample of low-income families because some child behavior experts have argued that when spanking is "cultural normative" -- that is, it's expected for parents to use physical discipline -- the detrimental effects of spanking may be lessened.
"We did not find that," Berlin said. "Even in a sample of low-income people where presumably it's more normative to spank your kids, we found negative effects." |
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| "Almost all the studies point to negative effects of spanking," Gershoff said. "It makes kids more aggressive, more likely to be delinquent and to have mental health problems. The more kids are spanked, the more they are likely to be physically abused by their parents. This does not mean everyone who spanks physically abuses, but that risk is there." |
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jhuntingtonus
Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Location: Jeonju
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm against this corporal punishment. I want the students to associate English with feeling GOOD, among other reasons. |
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randall020105
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
Location: the land of morning confusion...
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:14 pm Post subject: re: original post |
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| Proverbs 13-24 |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Oderint dum metuant.
Let them hate as long as they fear |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Sounds fishy to me... like this was a study tailor-made with the purpose of dispensing of a particular argument to advance an agenda.
I'm also concerned with the selection of families they used. I don't feel it's at a fair sample. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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The study found that children who were spanked at age 1 had more aggressive behaviors at age 2 and performed worse on measures of thinking abilities at age 3.
Being spanked at age 2, however, did not predict more aggressive behaviors at age 3, possibly because the spanking had begun at age 1 and by age 2 the kids were already more aggressive, Berlin said. |
Spanking at age 1?! 
Spanking at age 1 might cause physical injury, which might in turn lead to impaired cognitive ability. I wonder how they define 'spanking'?
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| "Almost all the studies point to negative effects of spanking," Gershoff said. "It makes kids more aggressive, more likely to be delinquent and to have mental health problems. " |
According to Steven Pinker, virtually all studies on parenting, such as this one, are worthless because they don't control for heritability. In other words, they fail to consider that perhaps the kids are aggressive because they inherited it from their aggressive parents.
The article doesn't mention controlling for heritability so it's probable it doesn't. |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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They took it from a pool of low-income families.
Of course they are aggressive, they are poor. |
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PigeonFart
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Just heard them discuss this on 'The View' (on AFN TV).  |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Goku wrote: |
They took it from a pool of low-income families.
Of course they are aggressive, they are poor. |
Vicious and semi-criminal. Does no-one watch "The Jeremy Kyle Show"? |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Early Spankings Make for Aggressive Toddlers, Study Show |
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| thoreau wrote: |
Think I'll discuss this at the next teacher's workshop.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20090916/hl_hsn/earlyspankingsmakeforaggressivetoddlersstudyshows
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Researchers chose a sample of low-income families because some child behavior experts have argued that when spanking is "cultural normative" -- that is, it's expected for parents to use physical discipline -- the detrimental effects of spanking may be lessened.
"We did not find that," Berlin said. "Even in a sample of low-income people where presumably it's more normative to spank your kids, we found negative effects." |
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| "Almost all the studies point to negative effects of spanking," Gershoff said. "It makes kids more aggressive, more likely to be delinquent and to have mental health problems. The more kids are spanked, the more they are likely to be physically abused by their parents. This does not mean everyone who spanks physically abuses, but that risk is there." |
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I would love to see the data set on this one |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Evidence to the contrary can be found in the Land of the Morning Fruit Trucks:
Korean kids are coddled like little kings and princesses and when parents are asked why their children are not disciplined early in life, they say "Life will be hard, so enjoy the early years".
Yet aggression is very evident in many typical Korean behaviors.
I wondered if the lack of early discipline contributed to their cultural sense of injustice, as they go through a rude awakening when they hit school and play time is over, and study, study, study becomes the demanding mantra that unsettles the little kings and princesses. Thereafter comes family and societal pressures of career, marriage and parental support.
No wonder so many fortysomething ajossi strut around with attitude, barking and grunting and driving like maniacs.
Not to mention the constant whining that is widely apparent. |
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DAC
Joined: 14 Aug 2009
Location: South Korea
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| I got spanked as a child, didn't make me aggressive. Bro too. Now, I could tell you lots of people who never got spanked, and sure need it now! I'm sure there are studies to show a correlation between not getting spanked and a lack of respect for authority too. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Yep, they hit babies. I've seen a lady smack her crying kid (looked about one year old) because it was crying. I've seen another scream at her daughter (who looked no older than 4 Korean age) for not walking fast. Some of these people boggle my mind. Do they not realize small children are not adults?
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Evidence to the contrary can be found in the Land of the Morning Fruit Trucks:
Korean kids are coddled like little kings and princesses and when parents are asked why their children are not disciplined early in life, they say "Life will be hard, so enjoy the early years".
Yet aggression is very evident in many typical Korean behaviors.
Not to mention the constant whining that is widely apparent. |
To me, that only shows that spanking is very ineffective at instilling discipline. Korean kids are coddled, but that doesn't mean they aren't getting their asses kicked when they don't want to go to Piano practice or get a 96 instead of a 100 in their spelling test.
That said, I think hitting children is something ignorant and uncivilized people do. Its ineffective and does nothing but either instill the idea that violence is a legitimate way to get something done, or merely make the child fear the spanker instead of being taught what he/she did was wrong. Even dog trainers don't hit their animals yet those dogs are more disciplined than most people. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Goku wrote: |
They took it from a pool of low-income families.
Of course they are aggressive, they are poor. |
What do you mean? |
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Chambertin
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: Gunsan
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People need discipline.
Waiting until the shit piles too high to walk isn�t an answer, and that�s how kids respond. They will live in crap until they cant breathe, if it wasn�t the case they would be cast out in eggs.
Good parents and strict parents make good kids. How you discipline is dependant upon the parents and culture, however the studies that show aggression or other negative aspects attributed to physical punishments are very skewed.
I dare to say anyone involved in child development knows that the personality of a child is developed in such a complex environment that only the most obvious and terrible factors can be registered in a consistent manner. Yet even then there are so many other factors in the human psyche that it is truly impossible to pinpoint the exact moment of transition even if the individual wanted to know, much less the observer.
Defend what you believe with your words and the persuasiveness of them, not some crutch of the self serving statistician...
Just my bit o mustard on that one. |
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