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v88
Joined: 28 Feb 2010
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 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:38 pm Post subject: Finding jobs outside of Korea |
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Just wondering what resources / sites people use for finding jobs outside of Korea. I don't mean just ESL. I'm interested in any opportunity.
So far I've found the Job Bank created by the Canadian government is reasonable for doing searches within Canada but doesn't provide many professional opportunities.
http://www.jobbank.gc.ca/rch-eng.aspx?ProvId=99&OpPage=50&Stdnt=No
And Wowjobs has provided me with a few potential employers in Canada, New Zealand and Singapore.
Just wondering what others use while they are here living in Korea and thinking of leaving. I'd really love to hear what is good from your home country if you happen to know what that might be. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Finding jobs outside of Korea |
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| v88 wrote: |
Just wondering what resources / sites people use for finding jobs outside of Korea. I don't mean just ESL. I'm interested in any opportunity.
So far I've found the Job Bank created by the Canadian government is reasonable for doing searches within Canada but doesn't provide many professional opportunities.
http://www.jobbank.gc.ca/rch-eng.aspx?ProvId=99&OpPage=50&Stdnt=No
And Wowjobs has provided me with a few potential employers in Canada, New Zealand and Singapore.
Just wondering what others use while they are here living in Korea and thinking of leaving. I'd really love to hear what is good from your home country if you happen to know what that might be. |
Largely depends on what you can do, what qualifications have, what passport(s) you hold and what country you want to go to.
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v88
Joined: 28 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| ^ Ya, I'm largely looking for general places. Obviously specific fields do have some of their own resources. I'm assuming that holders of Western passports with university degrees will be able to find professional work in many countries. |
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deizio
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| v88 wrote: |
| ^ Ya, I'm largely looking for general places. Obviously specific fields do have some of their own resources. I'm assuming that holders of Western passports with university degrees will be able to find professional work in many countries. |
If you aren't specialized and experienced then a) this may not be as true as you think, and b) you generally need to be settled and legally able to work somewhere to be considered for jobs that will take "any" BA holder from a western country.
You need to be pretty special before you start getting relocation / resettlement packages and an employer who will deal with all the bureaucracy of importing a candidate from scratch, think engineers, doctors, mid-senior managers etc.. In most places that look attractive to work in (you mentioned Singapore, for example) there are any number of westerners already there, not to mention well educated, bilingual natives. Teaching in Korea is an exception rather than the rule for vanilla candidates as far as visa sponsorship goes. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| v88 wrote: |
| ^ Ya, I'm largely looking for general places. Obviously specific fields do have some of their own resources. I'm assuming that holders of Western passports with university degrees will be able to find professional work in many countries. |
Dreamer.
If you are Canadian you can pretty rule out the vast majority of Western Europe for any work at all.
As to other professional fields, unless you hold significant experience or post graduate degrees in most fields you won't get anywhere beyond teaching EFL.
The professions are specific in where they headhunt and visa requirements vary widely depending on where YOU are FROM.
For a newbie, fresh out of college with minimal experience at anything; other than EFL or trafficking drugs your chances are slim at best.
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v88
Joined: 28 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| I'm really not interested in if I will or won't get a job. I'm more interested in any knowledge anyone might have on good resources for getting jobs internationally. |
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litebear
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Location: Holland
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| v88 wrote: |
| I'm really not interested in if I will or won't get a job. I'm more interested in any knowledge anyone might have on good resources for getting jobs internationally. |
Aren't those one and the same? I could recommend good resources for finding jobs in Europe but you wouldn't have a hope without a passport from an EU country. Just like I would have no chance of a job in the US or Canada.
You need to tell us more about you so we can recommend something relevant |
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v88
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:12 am Post subject: |
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^ I'm Canadian and hold an accredited degree in urban planning from an Australian university as well as a degree in architecture from Canada.
I'd just like to know what resources are available so I can get an idea of the jobs that are available. I would love some experience in Denmark, the Netherlands or Germany in Europe or New Zealand or Australia (with my education I know I can find a job here), possibly Brasil or the Philippines. I'd even love to spend some time in France, Paris is wonderfully designed and would provide me with some very valuable experience. Of course I know they may not find it worth while to have someone whose French skills are less than perfect and who comes from a country with cities that look like poo compared to Paris...or may be they would like that because both Vancouver and Sydney have been ranked as 2 of the world's most livable cities...
I'm not expecting a job, but I'd like to get an idea of the market and the potential, no matter how limited. I have loads of knowledge about planning and architecture but to be honest I'm a complete idiot when it comes to knowing how to go about finding an employer outside of my own country. I just figured the community of expats who hale from the EU or Aus or who have worked elsewhere might be able to toss a few bones my way...or at least make an interesting thread full of places where folks could look for jobs. |
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ttompatz
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As a Canadian and not married to a national of the zone you can rule the EU and ASEAN off your list within your preferred profession. Unless you hold professional standing along with your undergraduate degree you can rule out most of the G20 as well.
It's going to be easier to knock the ducks off the wall and work on what is left rather than the other way around.
Probably the best places to begin your search as an unqualified undergrad are:
http://www.google.com/
http://www.yahoo.com/
www.monster.com
etc.
If you have professional standing then trade journals and websites / e-zines are good places to look.
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| v88 wrote: |
^ I'm Canadian and hold an accredited degree in urban planning from an Australian university as well as a degree in architecture from Canada.
I'd just like to know what resources are available so I can get an idea of the jobs that are available. I would love some experience in Denmark, the Netherlands or Germany in Europe or New Zealand or Australia (with my education I know I can find a job here), possibly Brasil or the Philippines. I'd even love to spend some time in France, Paris is wonderfully designed and would provide me with some very valuable experience. Of course I know they may not find it worth while to have someone whose French skills are less than perfect and who comes from a country with cities that look like poo compared to Paris...or may be they would like that because both Vancouver and Sydney have been ranked as 2 of the world's most livable cities...
I'm not expecting a job, but I'd like to get an idea of the market and the potential, no matter how limited. I have loads of knowledge about planning and architecture but to be honest I'm a complete idiot when it comes to knowing how to go about finding an employer outside of my own country. I just figured the community of expats who hale from the EU or Aus or who have worked elsewhere might be able to toss a few bones my way...or at least make an interesting thread full of places where folks could look for jobs. |
I work in the Netherlands mate and I think you would really struggle to get a job in Europe. The only non-EU workers I have met here either married an EU Citizen or got a transfer here from their home country.
It's not that you lack the qualifications, if you married a French lass for example I'd say you would find a job in a big International company in Paris or wherever no problem. |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| v88 wrote: |
^ I'm Canadian and hold an accredited degree in urban planning from an Australian university as well as a degree in architecture from Canada.
I'd just like to know what resources are available so I can get an idea of the jobs that are available. I would love some experience in Denmark, the Netherlands or Germany in Europe or New Zealand or Australia (with my education I know I can find a job here), possibly Brasil or the Philippines. I'd even love to spend some time in France, Paris is wonderfully designed and would provide me with some very valuable experience. Of course I know they may not find it worth while to have someone whose French skills are less than perfect and who comes from a country with cities that look like poo compared to Paris...or may be they would like that because both Vancouver and Sydney have been ranked as 2 of the world's most livable cities...
I'm not expecting a job, but I'd like to get an idea of the market and the potential, no matter how limited. I have loads of knowledge about planning and architecture but to be honest I'm a complete idiot when it comes to knowing how to go about finding an employer outside of my own country. I just figured the community of expats who hale from the EU or Aus or who have worked elsewhere might be able to toss a few bones my way...or at least make an interesting thread full of places where folks could look for jobs. |
I used to recruit for Engineering and Environmental consultancies such as ARUP, Faber Maunsell etc... in England before i left in 2008. So i can only speak for what it is like in England.
The companies ( my old clients ) were willing to accept people with your kind of qualifications BUT..... most of them do not want to do anything ( effort or money) regarding your visa so you would be best advised to try and get that yourself before applying for a job.
I did place some Canadians and a few Aussies but they ALL had their visas to work in the UK. Unless you have 5-10 years experience very few companies will sponsor your visa.
Also you would be much better emailing the HR departments of these companies directly rather than using a recruiter as recruiters charge the hiring company around 20% of your annual salary, which would be around 7000 / 10,000 dollars depending on the job.
So to try and get a job in England I would, in this order....
1) try and get a visa
2)go to England
3) Email and call ALL of the companies who specialize in what you want to do. They are easy enough to find with a google search.
If all this fails try and get a job with a Canadian / Australian consultancy who work on overseas projects. There are lots of them because I had candidates and clients from them.
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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I used to use the guardian.co.uk jobs section.
I am sure glad that when I go back there next year I wont be looking for work. |
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v88
Joined: 28 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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^ for the two messages above,
Thanks! Those were helpful. |
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DejaVu
Joined: 27 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| v88 wrote: |
^ for the two messages above,
Thanks! Those were helpful. |
And the other ones weren't?
Or you were just upset with the truth? |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| v88 wrote: |
^ for the two messages above,
Thanks! Those were helpful. |
A quick search threw up these links
http://www.mppi.mb.ca/consultantList.asp
http://www.usarchitecture.com/Planning.htm
I am sure if you search in more detail you would have no problem finding many others.
Almost all of the consultancies on this list work on overseas projects, so you would be employed by a Canadian company whilst working abroad.
IF you can get a job with one of them and work on overseas projects, often all of your expenses are paid. If i was in your situation I would write a cover letter and a GOOD CV...send it to all of their HR departments or apply for their graduate schemes and see what you get back. |
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