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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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 Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:04 pm Post subject: Princeton students bash Kindle: Disappointing, difficult |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,556588,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r3:c0.000000:b0:z5
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| �Much of my learning comes from a physical interaction with the text: bookmarks, highlights, page-tearing, sticky notes and other marks representing the importance of certain passages � not to mention margin notes, where most of my paper ideas come from and interaction with the material occurs,� he explained. �All these things have been lost, and if not lost they�re too slow to keep up with my thinking, and the �features� have been rendered useless.� |
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�I require a very close reading of texts. I encourage students to mark up texts, and � I expect them to underline and to highlight texts,� Katz explained. �The question is whether you can do them as effectively with a Kindle as with paper.�
Katz added that had to confront the issue early when he transitioned from using familiar texts for teaching.
�I have all of my books marked up,� Katz said. �Either I use my own annotations, or I take the time, an immense amount of time� to annotate with the Kindle. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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So serious improvements need to be made with the Kindle and other products.
I am pretty sure that the first versions of any idea have had great shortcomings. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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My friend told me some horror stories about how little control you have over your kindle. First off, once you buy a book, you can only download it a finite number of times. On top of that, they sold a book (1984) they weren't supposed to sell, then they deleted it from everyone's kindle (the fact that they can even do this is scary) along with their notes. Apparently they then gave the book back, notes intact.
No thanks. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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I really don't think Kindle-like devices offer any big advantages over carrying a book.
The book is a design classic. It's compact, portable, light, easy to use, durable, cheap, lend-able and borrowable.....
..........it's going to take something more than the Kindle to make me start thinking that books are too much bother.... |
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krshearman74
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a Kindle and I love it. With that said, the Kindle should definitely not be used as a study tool. As others have noted, annotating text with the Kindle is not efficient. Furthermore, citing a source that you read using the Kindle is not impossible, but it is a pain. The Kindle should be marketed as a device to be used for pleasure reading, not academic reading. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
So serious improvements need to be made with the Kindle and other products.
I am pretty sure that the first versions of any idea have had great shortcomings. |
This is what... the 2nd or 3rd version of the Kindle? |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
I really don't think Kindle-like devices offer any big advantages over carrying a book.
The book is a design classic. It's compact, portable, light, easy to use, durable, cheap, lend-able and borrowable.....
..........it's going to take something more than the Kindle to make me start thinking that books are too much bother.... |
Have you ever tried carrying more than one book. Especially if those books happen to be text books.
The Kindle is undeniably broken. My iPod Touch, and formally my PSP did a satisfactory job. One machine for each application isn't the way of the future. I believe we will see an Ipod/smart phone device that will cover all our computing needs. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| One machine for each application isn't the way of the future. I believe we will see an Ipod/smart phone device that will cover all our computing needs. |
Yeah, computers and phones are slowly converging. |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| As a bibliophile, I'll admit to a strong love for books. Books can be touched, sometimes the print can even be felt; some books have a sensuous quality that comes through the type of material used for the binding, the paper, the font, the smell of the book, the force of the illustrations. No machine can even come close. The only thing I don't like about books, quality books, is that they're getting very expensive. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| The Gipkik wrote: |
| As a bibliophile, I'll admit to a strong love for books. Books can be touched, sometimes the print can even be felt; some books have a sensuous quality that comes through the type of material used for the binding, the paper, the font, the smell of the book, the force of the illustrations. No machine can even come close. The only thing I don't like about books, quality books, is that they're getting very expensive. |
Your book fetish will still have its place. We aren't saying real books will be made illegal or anything. However, some books don't deserve to have a tree cut down in their name Do you get a hard on over the 7th edition paper back version of Harry Potter or Angels and Demons? |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| The Gipkik wrote: |
| As a bibliophile, I'll admit to a strong love for books. Books can be touched, sometimes the print can even be felt; some books have a sensuous quality that comes through the type of material used for the binding, the paper, the font, the smell of the book, the force of the illustrations. No machine can even come close. The only thing I don't like about books, quality books, is that they're getting very expensive. |
Your book fetish will still have its place. We aren't saying real books will be made illegal or anything. However, some books don't deserve to have a tree cut down in their name Do you get a hard on over the 7th edition paper back version of Harry Potter or Angels and Demons? |
LOL, it has to be sexual, does it? And we aren't saying? What are you, part of some priesthood? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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The best use for Kindle-like devices in my opinion is to serve as a portable library. Pay a monthly fee and have access to any book in the library, any time, anywhere. We don't check out books from the library expecting to write in them, tear pages, etc anyway, so you're not losing anything, you're only gaining.
For books you want to own personally, sticking with books makes sense. For books you'll only read once for enjoyment, or perhaps only reference occasionally, this portable library system would be perfect. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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My thinking is much along the lines of Fox's. I think portable devices such as the Kindle are good for ephemeral reading -- library materials, magazines, and newspapers -- the sort of reading that is consumed and then thrown away. There will likely be a smaller market for books in the future, but I think there will always be a segment of readers who like the aesthetic or tactile qualities of books. I just trust books more. Taken care of, they will never crash or be deleted by someone. We shouldn't waste trees. But they will grow back.
So far as using them for classroom texts, I think future e-book readers might also have e-pens and e-highlighters which can be used to mark up pages. The technology is still primitive. I'm not considering an e-book reader until they're in color. Until then it is a deal breaker for me.:> |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
The best use for Kindle-like devices in my opinion is to serve as a portable library. Pay a monthly fee and have access to any book in the library, any time, anywhere. We don't check out books from the library expecting to write in them, tear pages, etc anyway, so you're not losing anything, you're only gaining.
For books you want to own personally, sticking with books makes sense. For books you'll only read once for enjoyment, or perhaps only reference occasionally, this portable library system would be perfect. |
The major difference here being that libraries are free, or have something like a $2 yearly fee. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
The best use for Kindle-like devices in my opinion is to serve as a portable library. Pay a monthly fee and have access to any book in the library, any time, anywhere. We don't check out books from the library expecting to write in them, tear pages, etc anyway, so you're not losing anything, you're only gaining.
For books you want to own personally, sticking with books makes sense. For books you'll only read once for enjoyment, or perhaps only reference occasionally, this portable library system would be perfect. |
The major difference here being that libraries are free, or have something like a $2 yearly fee. |
True, but they also can't be carried everywhere you go, and in many cities have a limited selection unless you care to wait for the book to be sent from another library.
I'd pay a reasonable subscription fee for a portable, massively stocked library perpetually at my fingertips. If said device worked in Korea, I'd probably even pay quite a bit. |
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