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j0hnxt



Joined: 23 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:08 am    Post subject: Do you guys care that Koreans use us for english? Reply with quote

just wondering if you guys care about the fact that people befriend us for our english. it sometimes does feel kinda crummy, i don't actually mind because its better than being alone. what are you guys' thoughts? i went to a bible study at my church and was surprised to find that it wasn't foreigners there, but koreans trying to practice their english. i was a little irritated at first, but after talking with the people, i quite enjoyed it.
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:32 am    Post subject: Re: Do you guys care that Koreans use us for english? Reply with quote

j0hnxt wrote:
just wondering if you guys care about the fact that people befriend us for our english. it sometimes does feel kinda crummy, i don't actually mind because its better than being alone. what are you guys' thoughts? i went to a bible study at my church and was surprised to find that it wasn't foreigners there, but koreans trying to practice their english. i was a little irritated at first, but after talking with the people, i quite enjoyed it.


Most friendships are based on some kind of need.

"What, you like going to see blah blah blah too? Wow, it's hard for me to get someone to go with me. We should hang out!"

Or, usually "Hi, I'm bored. We have similiar friends. We can share experiences and spend time together and not be lonely and bored."

There has to be some reason to be friends. Usually, we are "forced" to spend time together with our friends' friends, and then some kind of natural friendship develops. It's not the same way here. I see the English as an ice breaker. You meet someone, then you can tell if you want to be friends or not.

In most of my experiences, the English excuse was actually the reason to get to know me better. I've come across 2 or 3 who really just wanted to practice English, and I shrugged them off quickly.

When someone asks you to help with their English, keep an open mind. Maybe they are just looking for an "acceptable" reason to spend time with you until you are friends.
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Gibberish



Joined: 29 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seconding what Carla said, pretty much spot-on. Then again, what she did say is essentially Socialization 101, so I'm willing to bet you're either a bit dense when it comes to interacting with people, or you didn't think it through and just decided to hit "post" anyway. Not to be condescending, and I'm glad that you like it, but the answer is pretty obvious.

It's your job to let them use you as an English *beep*. If you're talking about friends, well, use them back in your own way to learn Korean. See if they stick around after that.
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misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's your job to let them use you as an English *beep*. If you're talking about friends, well, use them back in your own way to learn Korean. See if they stick around after that.


+1 to Carla and the above.

Just start learning Korean. If they make time to help you out too then you know they're great people. Most Koreans I know love it that I am learning their language and are quite eager to speak it with me.
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Reise-ohne-Ende



Joined: 07 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm willing to bet you're either a bit dense when it comes to interacting with people, or you didn't think it through and just decided to hit "post" anyway


FWIW, I don't agree with this at all, OP. Not sure why people feel the need to assert their superiority at every juncture.

It can be annoying when you feel like people are "using" you, but you should realize, like Carla said, we're all "using" each other for something: an activity partner, someone who will listen to our problems, someone to keep us company when we're doing things we enjoy, someone to have sex with, etc. etc.

Interestingly, if you come from their perspective, it might make it a little easier. Personally, I've studied a lot of languages in college, and whenever I meet someone who speaks one of these languages natively, I desperately want to hang out with them and get to know them. The fact that they speak German or French or whatever is secondary to the fact that they are German or French - a new culture, one I've learned so much about but had never had the chance to experience. It's like if you spent five years studying how to tango and practicing with other people who didn't really know how to do it, and then you got the opportunity to dance with an expert. "Improving your dancing" is secondary to how exciting of an opportunity it is!
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beercanman



Joined: 16 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, in my years in Asia, I never felt I was being used for language practice. Once or twice I think the girl was happy to have a foreign friend. I was happy with them too. Cross-cultural friendships are interesting. Rarely did I hang out with anyone who spoke less English than I their language.

Just be glad to make new friends and stop looking at it as an angle. We all use and need each other.
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furtakk



Joined: 02 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only koreans i've met who fall into that category are university students and even then, only a minority of them.

most of my korean friends have lived abroad on either work or student visas and just like hanging out with foreigners every now and again.
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Old Gil



Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean, if you've been around the proverbial block even a few times before coming here, you should be able to spot it. If not, one hopes eventually you'll figure out the game and how it's played.
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rumdiary



Joined: 05 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way! I use them for their Korean so we both win. I don't see the problem. Rather than waste my time learning Korean I just keep my little Korean buddy handy. They're especially useful for booking weekend trips out of Seoul and getting directions if you ever get lost.
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DaeguNL



Joined: 08 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they can practice english, you can practice korean, it balances out
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only care when girls feign romantic interest in order to practice English, aka "English vampires," or vice versa when girls use "language exchange" as a pretense to hunt for a foreign boyfriend. Language exchange dating is pretty odd and kinda annoying.
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gibberish wrote:
Seconding what Carla said, pretty much spot-on. Then again, what she did say is essentially Socialization 101, so I'm willing to bet you're either a bit dense when it comes to interacting with people, or you didn't think it through and just decided to hit "post" anyway. Not to be condescending, and I'm glad that you like it, but the answer is pretty obvious.

It's your job to let them use you as an English *beep*. If you're talking about friends, well, use them back in your own way to learn Korean. See if they stick around after that.


Do everyone else a favor and delete your account.
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wondobern



Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: Yangjae2Dong

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: English Bible studies Reply with quote

The Bible students that I teach during the week at my church (Bethel International Church in YangJae 2 Dong) are all Korean with the exception of one Finish lady --- and all but two attend different churches than mine.

But, they have treated me quite well....taking up offerings without being asked, treating me to meals, one teaches me Korean lessons every week, etc.

I had one Bible student that was coming when I first got here that dropped out because she felt "guilty" that she was only attending the class to improve her English instead of just studying the Bible.

Most of my students, however, see their attendance as a "win-win" situation, improving their English as well as growing in their walk with the Lord. We have really good discussions, even if they aren't native speakers!

I don't mind, although some of my church members think that they should also attend English worship on Sundays! But, they have their own Korean speaking churches they attend with their families, although some do worship with us on occasion....
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you guys care that Koreans use us for english? Reply with quote

j0hnxt wrote:
just wondering if you guys care about the fact that people befriend us for our english. it sometimes does feel kinda crummy, i don't actually mind because its better than being alone. what are you guys' thoughts? i went to a bible study at my church and was surprised to find that it wasn't foreigners there, but koreans trying to practice their english. i was a little irritated at first, but after talking with the people, i quite enjoyed it.


English in Korea is a status symbol. Use private tutoring as a very precious bargaining chip. And just watch the doors open for you.
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Goku



Joined: 10 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: English Bible studies Reply with quote

wondobern wrote:

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I had one Bible student that was coming when I first got here that dropped out because she felt "guilty" that she was only attending the class to improve her English instead of just studying the Bible.

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hahaha my church would be so empty if more people were like that....

I'm ok with people "using" me for English, because as someone said, everyone "uses" people for something. I use my friends for companionship. they use me for English. I use my parents for money and protection. they use me as their genetic progeny for survival.

The world's a selfish place, it's our design. Nothing wrong with it either. The sooner we realize everyone's selfish we can use it for our own ends.

The girls want an English exchange, you can give it to them. Just don't go into thinking you are going to earn anything. I've heard so many stories of guys thinking that the girl is gonna "give it up" and they are left with an tesol book in one hand and an empty wallet in the other. Just go into it like anything with both eyes wide open. read all the signals and stay open to possibilities. As someone who has been recently used for English, I can tell you, there are clear signs, you just have to be receptive and careful.
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