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mises
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sqrlnutz123
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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I can't wait to see that. Impotent rage feels so good. Also, I know someone who went to high school with him. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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The meltdown was caused by policies that supporters of capitalism find repugnant. Will there be any discussion of this in the movie? I'm guessing no. |
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mises
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
The meltdown was caused by policies that supporters of capitalism find repugnant. Will there be any discussion of this in the movie? I'm guessing no. |
Yeah, not a chance. The title is unfortunate. An increase in public rage about all this is needed so I welcome the film. |
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Pluto
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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mises wrote: |
Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
The meltdown was caused by policies that supporters of capitalism find repugnant. Will there be any discussion of this in the movie? I'm guessing no. |
Yeah, not a chance. The title is unfortunate. An increase in public rage about all this is needed so I welcome the film. |
I've read a couple of the reviews and saw the previews and I generally sympathize w/ M. Moore on many of these issues. However, I'd rename the title of the film "Corporatism: A Love Story" |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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This promises to be another winner for the talented, hard-hitting filmmaker. Can't wait to see it either.
When is it coming out?
Wow, I see great minds think alike! Even before watching the last trailer
I had posted this on the Dave's Healthcare Reform Sweepstake thread:
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Meanwhile, we need many trillions of dollars just to keep our financial bigwigs and their banks and investment firms in the lavish lifestyle they are used to. After all, they are the ones in charge of the finance of the entire country! What, do you want the entire nation's economic system to collapse just so you don't have to pay the doctor when you catch cold? Give me a break already!
Come on, this is a time when we all must tighten our belts. Stop being so selfish, and start thinking of, as JFK said, what you can do for your country. |
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gakduki
Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Location: Passed out on line 2 going in circles
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Looks interesting. I have watched his other films they are very biased, quite often wrong, and can only be taken with a grain of salt. Just like the government or the corporate media.
Can't wait to watch it and subsequently attack many of his socialist arguements. If it weren't for capitalism the guy probably wouldn't have the freedom or the money to make such movies and we wouldn't all have nice computers and dvd players to watch them on. Whats the better realistic altenative? Already we have the largest middle class in history, ever. Just because it will contract a little doesn't mean things are that bad. Ahh good old corporate greed, First the Rothschild's, then the JP Morgan's, Rockerfeller's, Bushes, when will it ever end? If society uprises against such things what is the likelihood of a better outcome than life over the past 40 years? I would say its less than 50%. Perhaps they will start using those FEMA distaster camps as social unrest prisons and the rich will gain even more control. Or maybe things will be cheery we will all work less and have more until the next capitalist pig comes along and screws over the innocent idlers! RISE UP MY FRIENDS, lets unlease the brutality this government is capable of. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:31 am Post subject: |
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gakduki wrote: |
Looks interesting. I have watched his other films they are very biased, quite often wrong, and can only be taken with a grain of salt. Just like the government or the corporate media. |
Good to see you are approaching the film with an open mind.
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
gakduki wrote: |
Looks interesting. I have watched his other films they are very biased, quite often wrong, and can only be taken with a grain of salt. Just like the government or the corporate media. |
Good to see you are approaching the film with an open mind.
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"This promises to be another winner for the talented, hard-hitting filmmaker" hardly sounds impartial either, does it? |
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visitorq
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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The problem I have with Michael Moore is that he rarely delves far enough into things, only skimming the surface. He just focuses on corporations of industry, and rarely on the banks/Wallstreet which are the real problem (and have the power to control the money supply, as well as investment and therefore which companies can prosper or fail). The way he was celebrating with glee when GM went bankrupt and the CEO was sacked by Obama was very annoying, especially since so many normal people lost their jobs. GM actually contributed a great deal to America, whereas the banks and asset-strippers in Obama's government do nothing but steal from us. Obama handed over trillions to the zombie banks, while depriving a major manufacturer a few billion to stay afloat.
Do you think MM will bring up the Federal Reserve (problem #1 in all of this, which I've never heard of MM ever bringing up), fractional reserve banking, David Rockefeller and his think tanks (of which nearly all Democrats and Republicans are staunch members), the phony left/right wing paradigm etc? Or will he just go on his usual anti-Republican/Bush spiel and point his finger at manufacturing companies like Nike and GM, calling them evil? I'm guessing the latter... Not very helpful or interesting imo. |
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bacasper

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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
bacasper wrote: |
gakduki wrote: |
Looks interesting. I have watched his other films they are very biased, quite often wrong, and can only be taken with a grain of salt. Just like the government or the corporate media. |
Good to see you are approaching the film with an open mind.
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"This promises to be another winner for the talented, hard-hitting filmmaker" hardly sounds impartial either, does it? |
While I am flattered that you believe I was personally responsible for awarding him the Palme D'Or, it was actually a panel of judges at the most prestigious film festival on the planet who awarded him its highest award. |
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gakduki
Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Location: Passed out on line 2 going in circles
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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I've enjoyed his films and I will watch this one, but I will not retract my statement that he is biased and based on the other four films of his I have watched he does use interesting tactics to surprise people, and to portray his side only which isn't always true and based on loose evidence.
Roger and Me
'he made it look as if GM pulling out of Flint turned the people crazy, GM only cares about profits. Well where are GM's profits now? They've been strangled out of this world.
Bowling for Columbine
How many doors did he have to knock on to find one that wasn't locked? And honestly how many people sleep with guns under their pillows.
Farenheit 9/11
It was all just Bush's game.
Sicko
The hospital in CUBA is not available to all citizens. And Canada's system isn't as great as he made it out to be.
Capitalism
How could he even produce a movie and how could we be allowed to or afford to watch it if it wasn't for Capitalism. Those massive corporations tricked all of us idiots into giving them money. We are the ones who are stupid. But if we don't bail them out and give the greedy what they want, things will be worse, much worse. |
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sqrlnutz123
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RufusW
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Michael is my favourite filmaker. Some of his scenes are absolutely awesome - police calls over CCTV footage of Columbine - the last 2 minutes of Fahrenheit 9/11 - domestic terrorism in Michigan (Roger & Me) - the music of 'The Big One' - several clips from 'The Awful Truth'. Absolutely great stuff - undoubtedly the best documentary maker of the late 20th/early21st Century.
His stand-up is also very good, and his speeches are excellent. Download one of them and you'll be impressed.
If you really fancy it - try "This Divided State". Excellent documentary: it includes Hannity and Moore!!
Trailer of 'Capitalism' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeROnVUADj0 |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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I watched the documentary "I hate Michael Moore", and found it quite interesting in that he went around and re-interviewed the people from one of Michael Moores films.
Michael Moore really sand bagged some people it seems. |
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