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sclpk



Joined: 09 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:57 pm    Post subject: Start teaching a day before contract start date? Reply with quote

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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just do it. Get paid for it though. Your contract starts on the 1st, so the last day of the month is part of September's pay period. He owes you a day's pay. In November he'll owe you for October. Take your salary, divide it by thirty and that's what he owes you for today. No taxes. Ask for it in cash, but nicely.

Or you could just let it slide.
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tanklor1



Joined: 13 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Contracts, contracts, contracts... you're going to spend a year with these people, do you really want to start off the relationship pointing out a little flaw in the contract. This job's all about being a team player; I know we come over here as mercenaries but a little sacrifice will show that you have more than what's good for you in mind. Short version: Do it and don't even mention the contract.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Just do it. Get paid for it though. Your contract starts on the 1st, so the last day of the month is part of September's pay period. He owes you a day's pay. In November he'll owe you for October. Take your salary, divide it by thirty and that's what he owes you for today. No taxes. Ask for it in cash, but nicely.

Or you could just let it slide.



Good points but the part I bolded is incorrect. You don't work 30 days of the month, why would you divide your salary by 30?

You divide it by the number of working days (20-22).
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell your boss that you'll teach if you were paid in advance (in cash) at your OT rate.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One days work in exchange for a 5 day weekend is not a bad deal.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D.D. wrote:
One days work in exchange for a 5 day weekend is not a bad deal.


what if the OP is suppose to get those days off anyway? then it wouldn't be a good deal.
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DaeguNL



Joined: 08 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

typically there are 22 WORKING days in a month.... when paid on a daily rate you it should be divided by 22, not 30. Could make a difference of 25-30k won
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DaeguNL



Joined: 08 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im pretty sure most contracts state daily pay to be divided by 30 though... Regardless you should make 70,000-80,000 won for the extra day
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Just do it. Get paid for it though. Your contract starts on the 1st, so the last day of the month is part of September's pay period. He owes you a day's pay. In November he'll owe you for October. Take your salary, divide it by thirty and that's what he owes you for today. No taxes. Ask for it in cash, but nicely.

Or you could just let it slide.



Good points but the part I bolded is incorrect. You don't work 30 days of the month, why would you divide your salary by 30?

You divide it by the number of working days (20-22).


Yes, some do it that way. I've had both. I think by labor standards, since it's a salary, you have to divide it by the number of days in the month.
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D.D.



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ramen wrote:
D.D. wrote:
One days work in exchange for a 5 day weekend is not a bad deal.


what if the OP is suppose to get those days off anyway? then it wouldn't be a good deal.


They could have started the contract on the 6th.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your contract begins the 1st than that is the day that you should start.

If you agreed to work, then do so and don't make an issue about it. I wouldn't argue about contracts and fine details right from the start, but I also wouldn't get used. In the future when you need a bargaining chip, just say how that you appreciate everything that the school has done and that you have dedicated yourself to them, like starting one day early and not asking for anything. You can use these little things later on if you don't try and argue with them now.

Also when it comes down to the end of your contract you make sure that your last day of work is Sep. 29th, 2010 which is 365 days of work.

Good luck and I hope that your year isn't a constant battle to get what is fair. I don't ever mind trying to fight to get extra things that I might deserve, but I really hate fighting to get what should be standard.
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MrMr



Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:30 am    Post subject: Start teaching a day before contract start date? Reply with quote

Reread Tanklor's advice. I've had pretty good ride here for eight years and I attribute part of the credit to showing a lttle flexibility, eg ,schedule changes, an extra class(short term) etc. Consequently, and despite having some barriers to employment I've had no problem securing jobs once I've persuaded employers to contact my Korean references.
A lot of these small hakwons have to adapt to the changing needs of their limited client base in order to survive. That's not to say you should allow yourself to be used and abused. Choose your battles but don't start out on a negative note over such a minor issue. Collect your brownie points and use them later.
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Cerriowen



Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Location: Pocheon

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just do it.

I would check after the first month and make sure they paid you for that day, but don't make a huge fuss over it. If they didn't pay you, politely ask AFTER you reviewed your salary if this is the normal amount or if they included the extra day you worked.

But go with the flow. One day out of a year isn't gonna kill you.
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DAC



Joined: 14 Aug 2009
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaeguNL wrote:
typically there are 22 WORKING days in a month.... when paid on a daily rate you it should be divided by 22, not 30. Could make a difference of 25-30k won


Talked to a labor lawyer friend of mine, the law divides your month by 30, NOT 22 days. And they include weekends if you work Monday and Friday of whatever period you're calculating.

What you choose to do with your boss is fine, he may not be aware of the 30 day rule anyways.
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