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martinpil
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:31 am Post subject: references burnt out. What to do |
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I've burnt my boats at the moment with referees/references because they have either done enough in the past or moved on to another place. How is the best way to get another reference? I even thought of making a little "group" to help out at such times. It's stupid when references stop you moving forward with a job application especially just because time has passed and stuff.
Anyone else been in a similar position? |
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oskinny1

Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Location: Right behind you!
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:34 am Post subject: |
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The best thing to do is have them write you a letter with their signature on company letterhead.
Then scan it.
All finished. |
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martinpil
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:40 am Post subject: |
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That's easy if they accept open references but this institution want actual names addresses and contact details of the referee to contact themselves.
So, how to get out of this one? |
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Big Mac
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:29 am Post subject: |
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Why am I not surprised that Martinpil is having trouble finding references? |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:36 am Post subject: References |
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I'm thinking of getting written references from Korean employers, next year. I haven't worked in Australia since 2002. (Uni 2003, 04, 05). My old employers in Oz were not keen to repeat the same references they did for me in 2006 & 2007. And the immediate supervisor I once had is now a project manager in another Government Dept.
Nor will Epik, Gepik et al release the original references I've already given them, if I want to apply to say SMOE or BMOE or a Korean University next year. |
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martinpil
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:42 am Post subject: |
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If only you knew BM! Bigheads aside, I've had good references from employers but I don't really want to use the typical "my mate" written tefl references that most people in tefl use. I may have to though on this occasion if I want this particular post (it's a real HE institution BM in the middle east, not some hagwon some school leaver from even a USA high school could get a job at...and yes there is a difference...and yes I should be able to get a good reference from the same referees but they've moved on.
So, any ideas what to do? Maybe BM (should be BH lol) can give me a sparkling ref. |
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Big Mac
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:54 am Post subject: |
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Nope. No sparkling references from me. If you, a supposed teacher, could write a coherent sentence I might think about it. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps write up a letter, go to a reputable Korean company and slip an ajosshi some money or a bottle of scotch to sign it off for you? |
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tenchu77491
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Have you guys gotten references from Korean coteachers? I mean they work with you right? If someone is a judge of character and working ability wouldn't they count?
I was thinking about getting a letter and signature from my main co teachers and manager, and maybe principals. |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: |
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My Korean coteacher from my 1st contract gave me a good verbal reference over the phone to my current school. I was thinking of perhaps getting it in writting? Not sure if this is acceptable to Korean Immigration? |
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tenchu77491
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: |
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What does immigration have to do with references? I figure get a Korean coteacher or employer to write something and sign it, and it's good as gold. Also get all of their contact information for future use. That's what I am doing. |
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Bondrock

Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Location: ^_^
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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martinpil wrote: |
If only you knew BM! Bigheads aside, I've had good references from employers but I don't really want to use the typical "my mate" written tefl references that most people in tefl use. I may have to though on this occasion if I want this particular post (it's a real HE institution BM in the middle east, not some hagwon some school leaver from even a USA high school could get a job at...and yes there is a difference...and yes I should be able to get a good reference from the same referees but they've moved on.
So, any ideas what to do? Maybe BM (should be BH lol) can give me a sparkling ref. |
If I understand correctly the job in question is in the Middle East.
This is the Korean Job Forum. Stop wasting our time with your petty problems. This is not a Dear Abby column. |
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ekul

Joined: 04 Mar 2009 Location: [Mod Edit]
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn't everyone just write their own reference and get their principle/co teacher to stamp it? I really don't think mine could write a good reference. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:33 am Post subject: |
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martinpil wrote: |
That's easy if they accept open references but this institution want actual names addresses and contact details of the referee to contact themselves. |
This is actually quite a problem in Korea. Koreans seem to move about an awful lot from school to school, and they change appartments and personal cellphones often. They also aren't culturally used to giving references here, and culturally they are often reluctant to give praise for good work. Leaving a job can be tantamount to betrayal here, they don't reward that with a good reference. Also...the person usually in charge of giving references is the person who has had least contact or worked with you the least (ie the principal), so he may not have much idea of how good you are. This is compounded by the fact that a simple cultural gaffe (eg not bowing at the right moment?) might render you as forever flawed in his mind, even if you were in reality the best teacher his school ever saw.
Best get full contact details including email adresses, work and private numbers put on an official letterhead, and scan it. |
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Hanson

Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:44 am Post subject: |
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ekul wrote: |
Doesn't everyone just write their own reference and get their principle/co teacher to stamp it? I really don't think mine could write a good reference. |
Perhaps you wouldn't be able to write a good one either? |
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