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How many have ENGLISH degrees? Really?!
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Samurai Blur



Joined: 20 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: How many have ENGLISH degrees? Really?! Reply with quote

I am choosing not to post quotes as examples because I don't want this to turn into a "stop picking on me" thread, but I run across at least two or three posts a day, just surfing in my spare time, that misuse the words "then" and "than." Usually the posts will say, "I would rather carry cash then carry a debit card," but I ran across one yesterday that repeatedly used the word "than" in the wrong way. Ex: "I woke up and than turned my alarm clock off, than went to work."
I mean, seriously, why do I see this so unbelievably often here? Is the rate of teachers without an English degree really THAT low?
I realize that a lot of people don't want to pay attention to punctuation while typing, since they aren't being graded or anything, but is it so difficult to use the proper words at least?
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poeticjustice



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: How many have ENGLISH degrees? Really?! Reply with quote

Samurai Blur wrote:
I am choosing not to post quotes as examples because I don't want this to turn into a "stop picking on me" thread, but I run across at least two or three posts a day, just surfing in my spare time, that misuse the words "then" and "than." Usually the posts will say, "I would rather carry cash then carry a debit card," but I ran across one yesterday that repeatedly used the word "than" in the wrong way. Ex: "I woke up and than turned my alarm clock off, than went to work."
I mean, seriously, why do I see this so unbelievably often here? Is the rate of teachers without an English degree really THAT low?
I realize that a lot of people don't want to pay attention to punctuation while typing, since they aren't being graded or anything, but is it so difficult to use the proper words at least?


You, high horse, need to get off of.
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Samurai Blur



Joined: 20 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: How many have ENGLISH degrees? Really?! Reply with quote

poeticjustice wrote:
Samurai Blur wrote:
I am choosing not to post quotes as examples because I don't want this to turn into a "stop picking on me" thread, but I run across at least two or three posts a day, just surfing in my spare time, that misuse the words "then" and "than." Usually the posts will say, "I would rather carry cash then carry a debit card," but I ran across one yesterday that repeatedly used the word "than" in the wrong way. Ex: "I woke up and than turned my alarm clock off, than went to work."
I mean, seriously, why do I see this so unbelievably often here? Is the rate of teachers without an English degree really THAT low?
I realize that a lot of people don't want to pay attention to punctuation while typing, since they aren't being graded or anything, but is it so difficult to use the proper words at least?


You, high horse, need to get off of.


LOL, I don't think being a "Grammar Nazi" would mean someone is on a high horse. If I were complaining, maybe, but I'm just questioning the education of people that are supposed to be "English teachers" and yet, write like that. I'm only a student and I pick up on it. I really would like to know what percentage of teachers in Korea actually have English degrees.


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madoka



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in a cafe in Pasadena, CA right now looking at the following ad which I've copied verbatim:

"Prof. xxx tailors sessions especially to your needs. Topics: Personal Success, English Grammar & Writing for College & Business, Creative Writing, Editing, Resume Assistance, Accent Reduction, and more. 20 years of experience. $60 per hour. Let's can negotiate."

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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most of us were brought here to teach conversational English. Who really gives a rat's .... about the fine details, when they are struggling with the basics. We are not here teaching English Lit.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you dont like the English in this site than maybe you need to go somewhere else.
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel for ya, Blur. I'm one of those freaks who fully punctuate text messages. I didn't graduate in English, however, but creative writing. I did complete all of my English Literature degree except for the Capstone (I choked and couldn't afford to stay on for another semester).

Despite this, I learned much more about grammar from teaching grammar as a tutor in university. I wouldn't take an English degree as any guarantee of writing competence. A great many high school dropouts have excellent command of the language.

That said, why ya gotta bust balls Razz
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My degree is in Journalism, and my minor is in English. Does that count? Embarassed
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tenchu77491



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I majored in East Asian Studies with a minor in Japanese Studies. I don't make too many English mistakes. I don't really believe your degree signifies anything about your language ability.
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mc_jc



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not an English teacher, but I was one for about 3 years b4 I got my current job at the US Army Garrison-Yongsan. I guess you can say that I wasn't cut out to be an ESL teacher, which is why I am a senior-level director of an agency onbase.

My question is; why do you care?
A lot of the posters are stuck in a classroom all day and the last thing they think about is their grammar when posting on an anonymous message board.
This is mainly a place for people to vent, rant and rave about their daily lives in "The land of the morning calm Confused ". People do this despite the grammar and spelling mistakes they make.
Who cares if they misspelled a word or used the wrong homophone as well as make massive grammatical errors- to most on this board, they should at least be credited for getting their massage across.
Also, you have to remember that many posters on this board are not just from the US, so US grammar rules don't necessarily have to apply, especially when speaking/writing in slang. Also, there are many non-native speakers on this board, most of whom are Korean.

When I peruse this board, I don't do it to inspect each and every message for grammar/spelling errors, I do it to see what people have to say. If I were to inspect each and every post with spelling and grammar in mind, then I would be the most unproductive person here and I most certain would have to shoot myself Shocked .
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Lunar Groove Gardener



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "then" v.s. "than" phenomenon is confounding.
It indicates an inherent lack of awareness of a simple distinction between the two words, and undermines one's credibility.
You should of thought carefully before posting though.
There are so many folks here that could care less.
To measure a teacher through improper usage on this bored could be disorientating.
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Tarma



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
You should of thought carefully before posting though.
There are so many folks here that could care less.
To measure a teacher through improper usage on this bored could be disorientating.


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cubanlord



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: How many have ENGLISH degrees? Really?! Reply with quote

Samurai Blur wrote:
I am choosing not to post quotes as examples because I don't want this to turn into a "stop picking on me" thread, but I run across at least two or three posts a day, just surfing in my spare time, that misuse the words "then" and "than." Usually the posts will say, "I would rather carry cash then carry a debit card," but I ran across one yesterday that repeatedly used the word "than" in the wrong way. Ex: "I woke up and than turned my alarm clock off, than went to work."
I mean, seriously, why do I see this so unbelievably often here? Is the rate of teachers without an English degree really THAT low?
I realize that a lot of people don't want to pay attention to punctuation while typing, since they aren't being graded or anything, but is it so difficult to use the proper words at least?


This post is a perfect example of the sheer ignorance of many in this country and those in countries in which ESL/EFL thrives as an industry. A degree in English, in the U.S., means that you have a firm understanding of English literature and the basic mechanics of the English language. Having a degree in English does not mean that you can teach the English language. That is what TESOL, TESL, and TEFL degrees or specializations are for. If you step down from your high horse for a second and actually take a few minutes to learn and understand the drastic, not subtle, differences in the aforementioned degrees, then you'll realize that the two are exclusive of one another. Sure, you take a grammar course or two in an English program. However, courses such as English teaching methodology, research, etc. etc. etc., are not part of the program.
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ekul



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ I exactly, I have an English Literature degree and it didn't prepare me any more than my friends with computer science degrees.

I consider my spelling and grammar pretty atrocious much of the time but when I see posts like the OP making a mess of capitalisation, italics, over utilisation of quotation, inability to form paragraphs I just shrug. If you're going to pick up on peoples mistakes you better make sure you do it with the presentation, punctuation, spelling and grammar of a saint.
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Samurai Blur



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lunar Groove Gardener wrote:
The "then" v.s. "than" phenomenon is confounding.
It indicates an inherent lack of awareness of a simple distinction between the two words, and undermines one's credibility.
You should of thought carefully before posting though.
There are so many folks here that could care less.
To measure a teacher through improper usage on this bored could be disorientating.

It's cool. I expected people to be upset about it. In fact, I wasn't going to say anything at first, but I started to get curious about how many people would get overly defensive and troll me for asking. I suppose I chose the manner I used to write was because of how I expected the question to be received.
Everyone makes mistakes, especially in grammar. I'll be the first to admit that some of the papers I churned out during my first year of college came back with green marker ink all over them, haha. I asked my first college English teacher what was wrong with my writing and he told me that my content and style was great, but my grammar needed a lot of work. On top of that, most of the posts I make on here are from my iPhone, and I can only see a little bit of what I'm writing at one time. By the time I submit the post I don't want to go back and correct it unless the over all message has been corrupted.
I'm sure I'll be working on my grammar for a long time, but I just don't understand how then and than can get mixed up so much.


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My degree is in Journalism, and my minor is in English. Does that count?

Haha, you don't have to take up for yourself. I was just asking. I took Journalism in community college, and I learned a whole lot about writing. My Journalism teacher bothered me for two semesters to change my major from English to Journalism, and then she retired... Journalism was a lot of fun though.
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