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New Passport, Different Nationality: Visa & Travel

 
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Alexander



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:33 pm    Post subject: New Passport, Different Nationality: Visa & Travel Reply with quote

As the title suggests, I'm getting a new passport. My current one is completely full (and I can't travel with it again without having pages added, which is not an option).

I'll be getting my new passport soonish. The difficulty is, it's from a different country (I'm a dual national, but neither is Korean).

I plan to travel soon. I'll have to use the new passport for the trip. I ASSUME (dangerous, I know) that I will need to transfer my Visa over in order to avoid unpleasant encounters with Immigration. I also assume that I'll need a new ARC because of this. I'm not sure I have time to wait for all of this to be done, or I'll miss my travel window.

Can anyone confirm the above? Would it be possible to travel on my new passport (for the sake of stamps, etc.) but show my other passport as evidence of my visa? N.B. The 'old' one is still perfectly valid, it's just full.

If you've managed to pull this off successfully, please enlighten me!
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your old passport is still current and that's the one used to get your visa, as in that's the nationality you stated for obtaining your current visa. You must use that passport for your entry to and exit from South Korea. You can use the passport for your other nationality to enter and exit other countries.

That's a quick sum-up of the way things were when I was a military passport and visa agent about ten years ago. Your best bet is to check with the citizen services section of both of your countries' embassies in Korea and also with Korean Immigration.

By the way, why is getting additional pages not an option? If the passport is maxed out on pages, apply for a new passport, take the new passport to Immigration with your ARC and your old passport (yes, you get that back when you get a new passport), and have Immigration transfer your visa information into the new passport. It's free.
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runthegauntlet



Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:

By the way, why is getting additional pages not an option?


Some countries don't allow for additional pages to be added. You have to get a new passport.
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hwarangi



Joined: 17 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would imagine that you may have restart the visa application process. That visa was granted to you as holder of the passport you provided; I doubt you could transfer it to another passport from another country.

Anyway, you'd best call or visit immigration and explain your situation in full.

Anyway, if your passport with the visa in it has not expired is just full and not out of date, why not just use it to go in and out of Korea with, and use your other nationality passport to go in and out of other countries.

I am also a dual national and this is what I do (i.e. In Europe I enter and exit on my EU passport, in Australia I enter and exit on that passport. Sometimes the airport will ask to see your other passport).
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Curiousity



Joined: 23 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok
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Alexander



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry about that. My computer is having issues, so I used a workmate's, and didn't log him out properly!

Here we go:

Thanks for the replies thus far!

My current passport expires next year, and I don't plan to obtain a new one. In my circumstances, it makes a lot more sense to use the new one for everything.

If I do need to start the visa process again, I'll simply leave it until the end of the year (when my contract is up) and apply for a new visa for my new passport.

I think that you may have hit on a solution hwarangi. I still have 'amendment' pages free in my current passport. They're not meant to be used for entry and exit stamps and I had a problem with this on my last trip, though they relented in the end. I now have stamps on some of them, and Korea didn't seem to mind where they stamped it (the problem occurred in AUS). I see no reason why they wouldn't do much the same this time.

I may have to roll the dice and give it a go. I can't imagine it being a problem in Asia (and I don't plan to travel elsewhere until next year anyway, when I'll already have a new visa in my new passport). That said, entering Thailand (for example) with a squeaky clean passport could land me an interview with the boys in brown.



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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hwarangi wrote:
I would imagine that you may have restart the visa application process. That visa was granted to you as holder of the passport you provided; I doubt you could transfer it to another passport from another country.


I once called immigration to ask, and they said this was untrue.

A visa is issued to the individual, not the passport.

I had renewed my passport, and my visa was in the void one. They said no problem. Just carry the two together.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In my circumstances, it makes a lot more sense to use the new one for everything.

Maybe, but for the extra $100 or so it costs to get the second one, it can't hurt to have both on hand and current can it?

If your passport hasn't expired though, simply travel to the non-korean country on your other passport. Show your current full passport when you leave and show it when you come back. If you have a visa in it, I'm sure they'll squeeze it in. Next year if you get a new visa, just get it from the other country.
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jane wrote:
hwarangi wrote:
I would imagine that you may have restart the visa application process. That visa was granted to you as holder of the passport you provided; I doubt you could transfer it to another passport from another country.


I once called immigration to ask, and they said this was untrue.

A visa is issued to the individual, not the passport.

I had renewed my passport, and my visa was in the void one. They said no problem. Just carry the two together.



What, specifically, did immigration tell you was no problem?

To transfer a visa from one passport to another (which they presumed was issued by the same country, probably a renewal)? - wouldn't surprise me if so, as I know several people who've done exactly this themselves without much difficulty.

Or to transfer a visa from one passport to ANY other issued to the same individual, even by a different country? - unless you're also a dual national and were switching from using one country's passport in Korea to another's, I'd doubt that is what immigration meant.
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hwarangi



Joined: 17 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

b-class rambler wrote:
Jane wrote:
hwarangi wrote:
I would imagine that you may have restart the visa application process. That visa was granted to you as holder of the passport you provided; I doubt you could transfer it to another passport from another country.


I once called immigration to ask, and they said this was untrue.

A visa is issued to the individual, not the passport.

I had renewed my passport, and my visa was in the void one. They said no problem. Just carry the two together.



What, specifically, did immigration tell you was no problem?

To transfer a visa from one passport to another (which they presumed was issued by the same country, probably a renewal)? - wouldn't surprise me if so, as I know several people who've done exactly this themselves without much difficulty.

Or to transfer a visa from one passport to ANY other issued to the same individual, even by a different country? - unless you're also a dual national and were switching from using one country's passport in Korea to another's, I'd doubt that is what immigration meant.


Yes, I have had a passport renewed, and the number changed, and still had the same Alien number etc, but it was under the same nationality, ie. renewal, NOT switching countires/ nationalities. Maybe you can, but I doubt it.

OP, other immigration authorities will not be suspicious if you show them your other passport.

As for exit and reentry stamps, they can usually fit those on a small space on an already used page.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I'm not a dual national, it wouldn't've mattered to me; however, I just remembered something. Many countries ask on the visa application if the individual applying holds other nationalities. Is that the case with Korea? I really don't remember if my visa application to come here had that question.
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hwarangi wrote:
b-class rambler wrote:
Jane wrote:
hwarangi wrote:
I would imagine that you may have restart the visa application process. That visa was granted to you as holder of the passport you provided; I doubt you could transfer it to another passport from another country.


I once called immigration to ask, and they said this was untrue.

A visa is issued to the individual, not the passport.

I had renewed my passport, and my visa was in the void one. They said no problem. Just carry the two together.



What, specifically, did immigration tell you was no problem?

To transfer a visa from one passport to another (which they presumed was issued by the same country, probably a renewal)? - wouldn't surprise me if so, as I know several people who've done exactly this themselves without much difficulty.

Or to transfer a visa from one passport to ANY other issued to the same individual, even by a different country? - unless you're also a dual national and were switching from using one country's passport in Korea to another's, I'd doubt that is what immigration meant.


Yes, I have had a passport renewed, and the number changed, and still had the same Alien number etc, but it was under the same nationality, ie. renewal, NOT switching countires/ nationalities. Maybe you can, but I doubt it.



Hwarangi, my questions were actually directed at Jane. Sorry, I should've made that clearer as my quote of her post included part of yours too.

FWIW, my hunch is the same as you - I doubt it's so simple, or even possible at all, when the new passport is of a different nationality. But I don't know for sure having never come across anyone who's tried this in Korea, hence what I was asking Jane.
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just renewed my Aussie passport, which expires in December. It was about 208k won, at the Aus embassy in Seoul, & you MUST go to your local immigration office within 2 weeks, to show them the new passport, or there's a 100k won fine. There is no change to your current ARC card. They just stamp the new passport. Take both passports when you travel o/s. Even if immigration at Incheon don't ask to see it, it's handy if you're applying for a visa to a third country, & your current, new passport, is in the mail. Hotels in China eg, wanted proof of id, when my current passport was in Mongolia, but my old passport was sufficient. Here's the text of an email I received from DFAT in Seoul, which is staffed & operated by Korean nationals:

Quote:
And for your renew passport, application should be lodged in person.

Renew passport : Required to bring current passport and 2 new passport photos( No need to get guarantor's endorsement)


Passport fee : Kw 197,000(Cash) Ordinary passport 32pages
Passport renewal form PC7 - www.passports.gov.au You can download from this website or we can print out form when you visit here.

We need 10 working days to get new passport for you.

You might get more information of the passport application on the Embassy website

https://www.passports.gov.au/Web/index.aspx or www.southkorea.embassy.gov.au

Location
Australian Embassy, Seoul
Address:11Fl Kyobo Bld 1 Jongro 1-ga Jongro-gu, Seoul 110-714 (Gwanghwamoon Subway station line 5 exit 3)


They give you the option of either coming into Seoul again to pick up the new passport, or, which is what I did, ask them to courier it to your school and pay about 7,000 won on delivery. They provide a confirmation telephone number for you to ring DFAT, upon receipt. Oh, and there's a Kodak place around the back of the embassy, that does passport photos.

Phone: 02-732-2880


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sigmundsmith



Joined: 22 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexander wrote:
Sorry about that. My computer is having issues, so I used a workmate's, and didn't log him out properly!

Here we go:

Thanks for the replies thus far!

My current passport expires next year, and I don't plan to obtain a new one. In my circumstances, it makes a lot more sense to use the new one for everything.

If I do need to start the visa process again, I'll simply leave it until the end of the year (when my contract is up) and apply for a new visa for my new passport.

I think that you may have hit on a solution hwarangi. I still have 'amendment' pages free in my current passport. They're not meant to be used for entry and exit stamps and I had a problem with this on my last trip, though they relented in the end. I now have stamps on some of them, and Korea didn't seem to mind where they stamped it (the problem occurred in AUS). I see no reason why they wouldn't do much the same this time.

I may have to roll the dice and give it a go. I can't imagine it being a problem in Asia (and I don't plan to travel elsewhere until next year anyway, when I'll already have a new visa in my new passport). That said, entering Thailand (for example) with a squeaky clean passport could land me an interview with the boys in brown.



Very Happy


I assume you are like me (dual citizen/passport holder). Just to let you know I use one passport for Korea - leaving and entering Korea and for visa's - and the other passport for travelling.

For example, I leave korea on the visa stamped one and then arrive in Atlanta on the other one. It is all perfectly legally. I have done the same with entering Thailand as well. No problems at all.

You may get asked a few questions at any given immigration counter around the world. Just show them the passport you use for Korea and they will perfectly understand.

Came back through Incheon and a maticulous immigration officer really checked over my passport. Started to query it. Then showed the passport I was travelling on. All he said was I must use the first passport in Korea.

That has been the only major problems I have had traveling with two passports.
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