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EPIK Contract Question: Late Night Classes

 
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son of coco



Joined: 14 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:37 am    Post subject: EPIK Contract Question: Late Night Classes Reply with quote

I have a question about the EPIK Contract. My school, in their infinite wisdom, has decided lately that come September they'll be putting on evening classes at school for their students. These classes will be from 6pm until 9:30pm and they're assuming I'll be there to do them 2 or 3 days a week. As far as I know my contract says I have to be at school from 8:30am until 4:30pm, so I assume I can decline the classes after that time.

I did notice, however, that it does say in the contract "An employer may require Employee to work overtime in addition to normal work days and work hours. In this case, overtime pay will be provided (6,000 won/hour). It also says that if actual class hours exceed 22 hours a week you get supplementary class instruction pay of 20000 won an hour, but I'm not sure if that is only for day classes.

Am I to understand that extra hours above the 22 hours a week are then 26000 won an hour?

In short, I want to tell them I'm not going to do the extra classes (or at least have that option). As far as I was concerned that wasn't in the contract. I'm reacting partly to the stupidity of the idea that teachers will be working from 8:30am until 9-9:30 at night, and partly to having been told I couldn't do some after-school work at another school (which cost me quite a bit of money) when it wasn't illegal to do so and only getting 7 days off in summer while most of my friends have schools with a bit of common sense that give them more time. On the latter point, I do realise the contract says 7 days.

So basically I want to tell them I too am sticking to the contract, but I want to make sure I have it right first...
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The W20,000/hr. "Supplementary Class Instruction Pay" is for any classes over 22/week no matter what time of day.

The W6,000/hr. "Overtime" is for non-teaching work.

I sincerely doubt your contract says anything about 8:30 to 4:30 (but rather says you shall work the normal hours of a Korean civil servant), and mentions: eight hours/day, Mon.- Fri.

That being said, if you don't want to do the night classes, just say "No".

Practice -
"No"
"No"
"No"
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son of coco



Joined: 14 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, I could have sworn I saw 8:30 to 4:30 somewhere...it does just say the normal work schedule of a civil servant of the Korean Government.

I'll think about it with the extra money, but if it means sitting around for 4 hours to do 1 hour's extra work it'll be a big no.

I'll be practising hard haha. I've been getting good at it lately.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They'll find someone else next year.
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marlow,

I don't sense the OP wants to re-sign anyway.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
Marlow,

I don't sense the OP wants to re-sign anyway.


Very Happy

Best choice.

In addition, if the OP is not re-signing sick days are a usable commodity. They only hold it against you at re-contracting time.
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son of coco



Joined: 14 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marlow wrote:
They'll find someone else next year.


That's fine Laughing

If being here means working 8:30am to 9pm then the next person is welcome to it. I don't agree with their reasons for implementing the new schedule and think it's stupid basically.

I know my opinion doesn't count at school...but anyway haha
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halfmanhalfbiscuit



Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do have to formally agree to any extra work. Just tell them no, but make them feel good about it eg "I want to study Korean" or whatever.

The decision to keep you at school deskwarming often comes down to school admin or a VP that no-one likes anyway.
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cherrycoke



Joined: 13 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah it's outside your contract, you are definitely not obligated to do it. However, it's nice to have some pocket change at the end of the month. I get paid 25000 won/hr for overtime and it's not bad imo for the amount of work I put into it. From what I hear though, a lot of other foreigners dont do it, instead they go home at 4PM and start doing privates like crazy.
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son of coco



Joined: 14 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cherrycoke wrote:
Yeah it's outside your contract, you are definitely not obligated to do it. However, it's nice to have some pocket change at the end of the month. I get paid 25000 won/hr for overtime and it's not bad imo for the amount of work I put into it. From what I hear though, a lot of other foreigners dont do it, instead they go home at 4PM and start doing privates like crazy.


Yeah I did consider the extra money, but decided the freedom in the evenings to do what I want was more important at this stage.

I was also a little annoyed that I had the opportunity to do extra work in the holidays at another school and earn some very decent cash and my principal decided I couldn't because I was here to teach at our school (despite the classes fitting in around our school hours and it being the holidays).

That and them making me come to school while my Korean co-workers had time off and my mates went on holidays to the Philippines etc.

I didn't really give them the face-saving option, but rather told a co-teacher that I though the idea was silly, that they'd end up with really tired teachers who couldn't do their job properly and that if they'd have been a bit more flexible in enforcing the conditions of the contract when it suited them I might have done the same.

Fortunately I wasn't thinking about coming back to this school by this stage. The night classes started this semester and it was never mentioned to me again. I do feel a bit sorry for my co-teachers though who are now saddled with extra night classes and about 45 hours a week of teaching.

If I'd have been in a position similar to my friends where I'd have had quite a few weeks off in the holidays to relax and come into the semester fresh then I probably would have done it. But I've been tired for a while and didn't want to spend my weekdays waking up, going to school, coming home, having dinner, sleeping and then doing it all again.

I have nothing against the principal either, I enjoy talking to him (his English is pretty good) and he's a good guy. Except when he's making me come to school all holidays of course haha
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thoreau



Joined: 21 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

son of coco wrote:
You're right, I could have sworn I saw 8:30 to 4:30 somewhere...it does just say the normal work schedule of a civil servant of the Korean Government.


I also saw the 830-430 line. It might have been in an older EPIK contract that was floating around as an example.
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DrugstoreCowgirl



Joined: 08 May 2009
Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name

PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know someone in EPIK who has to teach some night classes. She just comes in a couple hours later on those days and as far as I know she doesn't get overtime.
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