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jdunca12



Joined: 06 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:20 am    Post subject: Freedom of Speech? Reply with quote

I haven't seen this covered, but most native English speakers enjoy a certain freedom of speech in their home countries. Are there typically things you cannot say, or shouldn't say in regards to expressing your opinion?
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just don't diss any major corporations, universities, or sometimes even government policies or you'll be sued/fined/locked up for "slandering." Sure the 21st amendment of the ROK constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but nobody pays attention to that, just like everywhere else in the world. Generally, if you say something bad about someone important, rich or powerful, you could get crap. As a foreigner you should take special care to not openly criticize Korea or a lot of Koreans will dislike you.

On a related note, it is also illegal to cuss at or cuss in front of your pet because that constitutes animal abuse. This just one of the many ridiculous laws that nobody enforces except when somebody needs to look like they're doing something.
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mc_jc



Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as you don't say anything inflammatory about Korea or Koreans, you'll be fine.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally one of the conditions of your visa is that you shouldn't be involved in anything political while in Korea, which would involve certain kinds of speech.
If you see what appears to be a protest, go the other way basically.
you really don't want to give the cops an excuse to think you're involved in it.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I haven't seen this covered, but most native English speakers enjoy a certain freedom of speech in their home countries. Are there typically things you cannot say, or shouldn't say in regards to expressing your opinion?


It probably would not be a good idea to say anything too publically in praise of North Korea, since that remains a crime on the books, and the law is still occassionally enforced. Even under DJ and Roh, when the government went out of its way not to offend the Norks and discouraged the citizenry from doing so as well, people still got hauled up on National for saying things that were thought to violate the National Security Act.
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Trinidad



Joined: 06 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure we are allowed to talk about this subject on this website?
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Goku



Joined: 10 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly I think free speech is overrated. People always get into this slippery slope arguement with me that if free speech doesn't exist, then we will end up with some catstrophic 1984 George Orwell.

But other countries do just fine without overemphasizing free speech.

Especially because it doesn't really exist in our home countries. It's an illusion that we can say anything we want and get away with it. But just like SK and even China.

We can't make threats,
We can't yell fire in public places,
We can't slander,
We can't disturb the public peace (aka. Yelling OOGA BOOGA at 2am in the morning in a sleeping neighborhood)
etc...

It's the same as south Korea, but SK is a bit stricter. However, one big difference is the ability to criticize the government.

But even then America has been a huge grey when it comes to that type of political discussions. It's not like we welcome communism with open hands. Remember http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism ?
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jdunca12



Joined: 06 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I would plan on showing some discretion, I'm not going to be in any protests, or really anything that should get me into trouble. I just wasn't sure if I should be worried about things I may say amongst friends. Or cussing.. I need to drop that habit I suppose.
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



Joined: 28 May 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEVER talk bad about Kimchi.

Try not to talk too glowingly about your trip to Japan.

Never say it's cold and sunny today. Korean students will never admit that it's cold and sunny at the same time, even if it is.
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdunca12 wrote:
Well I would plan on showing some discretion, I'm not going to be in any protests, or really anything that should get me into trouble. I just wasn't sure if I should be worried about things I may say amongst friends. Or cussing.. I need to drop that habit I suppose.


Nobody cares about cussing, Koreans cuss all the time. Seriously, if you understand Korean you will realize that some of these ajosshis swear like pirates.

Just don't get involved in political stuff, don't slander anyone (Korea has strict laws against slander), don't ask too many questions about North Korea (South Koreans do not like to talk about NK with foreigners) and be careful about criticizing Korea in front of Koreans because they many of them are extremely sensitive and insecure, and do not respond well to anything that can be construed as criticism of their country and culture.

If you want to get along well with Korean people, that is.
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redaxe



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote:

Try not to talk too glowingly about your trip to Japan.


Or any other Asian country besides South Korea. Koreans are constantly comparing themselves with their neighbors, so they tend to take any praise of another Asian country as criticism of Korea for not being as good as that country.
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mayorgc



Joined: 19 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:


We can't make threats,
We can't yell fire in public places,
We can't slander,
We can't disturb the public peace (aka. Yelling OOGA BOOGA at 2am in the morning in a sleeping neighborhood)
etc...


I won't debate about whether or not freedom of speech/expression exists or not, but your examples here are not doing anything to support your claim.

Freedom of speech and entitlement to an audience are 2 different things.

screaming "I'm going to kill you" is perfectly legal. You just can't direct it at anybody in particular.

screaming "Fire" in a public space is allowed too. Just as long as it's empty, movie theatre for example.

And slander is a civil matter between two individuals and you can scream ooga booga as long as it's not past midnite.
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goku wrote:
Frankly I think free speech is overrated.


Please don't ever vote or become involved in politics.


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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Goku wrote:
Frankly I think free speech is overrated.


Please don't ever vote or become involved in politics.


Seconded. Smile
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goku wrote:
Frankly I think free speech is overrated. People always get into this slippery slope arguement with me that if free speech doesn't exist, then we will end up with some catstrophic 1984 George Orwell.

But other countries do just fine without overemphasizing free speech.

Especially because it doesn't really exist in our home countries. It's an illusion that we can say anything we want and get away with it. But just like SK and even China.

We can't make threats,
We can't yell fire in public places,
We can't slander,
We can't disturb the public peace (aka. Yelling OOGA BOOGA at 2am in the morning in a sleeping neighborhood)
etc...

It's the same as south Korea, but SK is a bit stricter. However, one big difference is the ability to criticize the government.

But even then America has been a huge grey when it comes to that type of political discussions. It's not like we welcome communism with open hands. Remember http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism ?


This post was completely absurd. The point of free speech is that the government can't get involved with legislating the expression of ideas, particularly political ones. Threats, disturbing the peace, etc. are not ideas. Canada has restrictions on free speech, which is why Zundel (the infamous holocaust denier) was deported, but it's still light years better than any authoritarian government.
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