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South Korea resembles a second born child
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject: South Korea resembles a second born child Reply with quote

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I often think that South Korea resembles a second born child in the sense that it helplessly watches China and Japan get all the attention of the world, just like the firstborn of a family. In order to prove ourselves and compete with the two countries, we often exaggerate our achievements or brag about them. Like a second born child, we are also rebellious against all authority, even our own government.

We also resemble a last born child in the sense that we frequently are attention-seeking, self-centered and dependent upon others. Like a typical last born, we often overlook rationality and commitment, and thus often act emotionally and capriciously.

However, we cannot be bound by such juvenile traits forever. We should not continue to merely look at other nations as a jealous younger sibling would look at his older brother. Now is the time for us to act like a good firstborn, by helping less-developed countries and striving to become mature, exemplary and responsible. Only then can our country become an esteemed leader in the international community.


Never thought I'd see the day where a Korean would say the above. The Netizens (if they ever happen to come accross this article will be at this guy's throat...!)

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/10/14/200910140056.asp
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Jane



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KIM SEONG-KON is the writer of the weekly Korea Herald column Koleidescope, and he has been sharing his, at times, unpopular opinions about Korea for years.

He's a SNU professor. No underling would want to mess with a man like that.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always though Korea resembled a beer can that was unevenly squashed...oh wait you mean the nation, not its shape on the map...actually that beer can resemblance might fit the nation too...bent out of shape to some degree with a lining of alcohol.
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ThingsComeAround



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn shame. I find this to be true as well

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Nowhere can one find �capability,� �competence,� or �dedication� as the primary factors for a successful life. Korean society does not seem to count �commitment� as an important merit either, which is another vital factor for being successful in other countries.


http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/11/18/focus/19489208&sec=focus
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Joe666



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for him. The rare individual in a sea of clones.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's the best (only good) thing about the Herald.

How can one Korean be so capable of intelligent, unemotional, critical analysis, yet so many aren't?
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The Gipkik



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The analogies and metaphors are all so vague and nebulous. It's intellectual self-mortification with a dash of self-flagellation thrown in for good measure. Vapid.
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komerican



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the man writes one absurd article after another. LOL.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Gipkik wrote:
The analogies and metaphors are all so vague and nebulous.
Really? I understand what he's saying very clearly. Maybe you aren't familiar enough with the topic to get what he's saying.

It's intellectual self-mortification with a dash of self-flagellation thrown in for good measure. Vapid.
Sounds like you mean he's being self-critical.....an admirable quality in moderation for any person.
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ThingsComeAround



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://k.daum.net/qna/view.html?qid=3RV0g

More truths from our favorite reporter

Komerican, Rolling Eyes
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freethought



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
He's the best (only good) thing about the Herald.

How can one Korean be so capable of intelligent, unemotional, critical analysis, yet so many aren't?


you just don't understand Korean culture.
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komerican



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThingsComeAround wrote:
http://k.daum.net/qna/view.html?qid=3RV0g

More truths from our favorite reporter

Komerican, Rolling Eyes


This is the kind of article I'm referring to. Kim gives as an example of Korean unfriendliness the treatment of Hamel and his shipwrecked crew. Yet he doesn't mention that Korea had fought a devastating war with the Japanese who these Dutch were trading with. Kim also doesn't mention that Korea had also fought two more recent wars with the Manchu that impoverished Korea even more after Korean farmlands had been razed by the Japanese in their second invasion. The mood against foreigners was indeed not pretty in Korea at that time.

The betrayal of Korea by the Western great powers and their support of Japanese colonial rule over Korea didn�t help either in modern times. Kim conveniently offers none of this relevant context and basically paints a cartoonish one dimensional picture of Koreans. His whole shtick is that Koreans can change if only they would just decide to as if people or countries are merely lazy and if only they decide to change they can.

I disagree with the credit card example also. The man is a professor so of course it�s going to be easier for him to get a card. Also, America just has more foreigners hence there are more profits to be made marketing to them. If you�re a foreigner though you still can�t open a certified deposit account (CD).
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freethought



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Komerican, I don't think you are applying the proper context. He might not give the context that you mention, but that context isn't necessary. He is talking about continued hostility, so unless your position is that the Japanese invasions of Korea in the 1590s continue to impact the Korean psyche (and if this is true, that would indicate a level of irrationality that would normally result in a short if not extended stay at a mental hospital), the context you bring up doesn't really apply.

And it certainly can't apply to the issues that he's raising re: today. The Japanese may have invaded (multiple times), but since the end of the most recent invasion the relations with foreign nations have been pretty damn good.... I seem to remember something about an international force doing some sort of good for Korea... You then have the much maligned American military presence, without which South Korea would not exist today. Then there are the arms sales from the Americans to the Korean military, again, without which South Korea would likely not exist. In short, if you take away other countries, especially America, Australia, Britain, Canada and New Zealand, South Korea would not exist. And these are the exact nationalities that the author is saying are facing maltreatment/disadvantages.


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The Gipkik



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:

It's intellectual self-mortification with a dash of self-flagellation thrown in for good measure. Vapid.
Sounds like you mean he's being self-critical.....an admirable quality in moderation for any person.
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I'm only going by this writer's muddled quote and it sounds like self-abasement, paying penance for being Korean-born and not ambitious, not mature enough. Korea needs stature! I can't speak for the writer--and my comments weren't meant to, but conflating last born and second born children as an indication of both an inferiority complex and a Napoleonic complex just sounds like he's trying too hard to fit the familial pieces of some gigantic jigsaw puzzle together.
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jhuntingtonus



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea is at the crossroads.

It is developed now, not developing. It is a major country now, not "will be" some day. It has a life expectancy longer than America's. The people are very serious about education. It has been a world role model in overcoming adversity (65 years ago it was a colony, and 40 years ago it had the same per capita GDP as Afghanistan), and, unlike its neighbors, has very little to apologize for. Creativity in the schools is on the rise, and younger children, well cared for, are inquisitive. The incidence of most forms of crime is, relatively speaking, microscopic.

Yet, it unnecessarily retains the pugnacious character it may have needed to get this far. Though stress and suicide levels are among the highest on the planet, attitudes on mental health are destructive. Smoking and binge drinking are excessive. Driving habits and lack of law enforcement are bad enough to cause significant loss of life. Lack of planning is a cultural defect especially bad in a country this size, and some things such as the addressing system (have you ever seen so many Y-turns?) badly need modernization.

So the situation is the same as is faced by a business that grew from a start-up to part of the firmament - what got Korea here is not the same as what it needs for continued growth and prosperity. Where should the country go from here? How can it leverage its strengths, its energy, and its impressive set of allies and trading partners, without making the same mistakes they did? What should the role of foreigners, such as we English teachers who can tell we are loved by some and hated by others, be? What choices will be made?
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