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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: why is sex/language bad, but violence ok in Korea? |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/10/123_53742.html
So that article explains that they are going to do one of the K-gov's favourite things; crack down. They want to curb indecency and problem TV.
I recently had a discussion on this topic with 4 Korean medical professionals. I asked them why nipples (wonder if that word will get censored? if it does, n-pples) are evil, but two men punching, kneeing, elbowing, kicking the crap out of one another until the other is rendered unconscious is A Ok?! Wrestling, K-1, ultimate fighting, kick boxing, boxing, action movies etc, you name it and it's all good. But pubic hair is all corrupting, apparently, and needs to be censored.
I have seen more violence between kids here than I ever saw growing up or as an adult back home. Violence is a real problem.
The answer, btw, that the K-Docs gave me was that they do tae-kwon do, and so 'violence' is viewed differently here. Violence was put in quotes by them because, they explained, K1 fighting was sport and not violence.
They didn't get my joke/corollary that intercourse and nipples were 'love' not sex.
Do you find the levels of violence high here? does it seem to manifest itself in the kids you teach? |
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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They seem to be in love with guns and killing. Judging from my students' notebook comics. Must be too much Counterstrike on the brain. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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What I have a problem with is that the adult shows shown on regular channels in Korea shows immortal sex without condemning it. Men abuses or even rape women and it's supposed to turn the viewers on. Even though it's not very explicit, this stuff would have been censored in my liberal European home country because it it trivialises violence against women and makes it seem like an ok thing to do. They usually try to hide it as a drama, comedy, or real docu but these things should be banned imo. The problem isn't what part of the body a child see, but when this kind of behaviour is shown as acceptable or normal behaviour it is a big problem.
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Immoral right? I don't think they would show Highlander having sex on tv. |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Although it may stick out more as an outsider looking in, I don't think the attitude is too much different from back home. Just think about ratings systems and such- things for Teens or PG are loaded with gunplay, hand-to-hand violence, etc. UFC is incredibly popular, as is pro wrestling. Yet showing a breast on TV or saying certain words (many of them with sexual connotations) is an absolute no-no, instantly relegating something to R or Adult status, not suitable for public channels. |
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TK421
Joined: 05 Aug 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't that exactly how America is (can't speak for other countries)? It's ok for American parents to let their children watch as much violence as they want but as soon as there is bad language, sex or *gasp* breasts! They throw a fit. Not too different I'd say. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Bryan wrote: |
It's irrelevent what is illegal in your country. The principle of a FREE society is that showing any type of activity that isn't an actual call to violence or criminal activity, is legal. That's because free countries respect free speech on principle. You though, hate free speech and should move to North Korea. Nice screen name by the way, I see you're a real advocate of free thought. |
Thank you for telling me what I believe in, I was a bit confused myself. My problem is not that these shows are being made. I don't care if adults can watch it on demand, but I don't think children should be able to watch TV shows on regular channels where men abuse and rape women in a non-discouraging way. If that is to hate free speech, then I guess I hate free speech. |
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DeathPony

Joined: 28 May 2008 Location: watching a monk enter a love motel
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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I thought the Highlander joke was pretty good, myself. Oh well.
Good to see that we are able to have a civil discussion on here without resorting to name calling and...oops!
I think the level of casual violence between people in Korea is higher than it was in the US back when I lived there, though it's been awhile. Maybe that has changed. My students hit each other all the time, kids tackle each other in the streets, girlfriends smack their boyfriends, etc. etc.
I've always thought it was foolish to protect the "poor innocents" from a bad word or a flash of skin and then show people being gunned down right and left and claim that it was keeping television clean and wholesome.
Also, it seems a bit unrealistic to claim that there are any "free" countries, though some are more free than others.
Guess that should be "free" societies, not countries, but you get the point. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Its same anywhere. Many kids grow up watching action movies and playing video games but if there's a sex scene on TV, their mothers immediately cover their eyes. My mom did and many American kids I know told me the same. Its weird and I don't understand it. I'm personally fine with current levels of media violence and sex. It's the parents' responsibility to teach their children the difference between real life and what's on a screen.
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Do you find the levels of violence high here? does it seem to manifest itself in the kids you teach? |
From my personal experience, Korea was a pretty violent environment for school children and teenagers. Even more than the US. In fact, other a few scraps with friends in highschool, I experienced very little violence in the US. I was mostly in middle class suburbs in my time there and I'm not doubting that the projects are violent, but I never had anything happen to me or seen anything happen when I visited the rougher parts of the US, and I did plenty of times.
As an adult male, I feel pretty darn safe in Korea from violence (traffic is another matter). But as a young child and teenager, I did not feel very happy and safe. Beatings from teachers, parents, and older kids were a regular occurence. Sometimes adults you don't know would scream at/hit me or my friends for "acting up." A teacher or parent beating you for something as stupid as getting a bad grade was normal. We got our asses kicked for many other reasons as well. Kids don't have any legal recourse or way of defending themselves, and kids who do have the audacity to strike back are arrested and villainized. I'm not talking about a few smacks on the palm either. I'm talking about beating kids' faces with a textbook, picking kids up and slamming them on the hardwood floor, using judo throws, etc. Also, I wasn't in some hicksville or ghetto, it was a major city and most of the students I knew were upper-middleclass.
Upperclassmen who hit underclassmen are "frowned upon" by teachers but no real action is taken to stop it. One kid I know got his eardrum busted up because a kid one year older than him punched him in the ear. Yet the teachers do nothing. If the younger kid defends himself, then the entire upperclass rises up and many students accept it as the way it is. I didn't beat up on underclassmen, but many of my peers did as they got older.
So yeah, Korea is pretty safe if you're an adult male, but it can be hell for many students. The crime rate it low here but I'm suspecting that they aren't taking into account for all the physical abuse that teenagers receive at the hands of grown adults wielding weapons. If I knock out an ajushi I might get sued for blood money or arrested for assault, but if the same guy happens to be a teacher and does the same to a teenage boy, it's proper behavior. |
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Old Gil

Joined: 26 Sep 2009 Location: Got out! olleh!
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Truth be told, American media is rather similar, actually just about anywhere. And if you notice, any time it's white women getting naked it's not really a problem. |
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Joe666
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Location: Jesus it's hot down here!
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Are you guys in the same country as I am? From what I have seen, it's much less violent than the U.S. I can't speak for other western countries. I guess it's where you grew up. Kids are kids everywhere. There's almost zero contact sports in Korea. No guns on the streets. No "choice" controlled substances. Maybe I am missing something? |
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detourne_me

Joined: 26 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just wondering where these rape shows are that you'e concerned with.
I've seen some Korean movies where it is implied/shown, but those are past 11pm and on cable channels.
I'd say that Korean TV is as(if not more) conservative about some sex and mature issues than the US.
For example The Simpsons are played late at night because of adult content.
However Sue Johanson is on the Women's channel from time to time
Violence on Korean TV is as comparable to the US. however they tend to censor/blur out violent parts more frequently in movies.
Violence on the street is I'd say...much less than in Canada. and that's from all levels of school to bars and gang violence.
Oh, and don't kid yourself about Korea being a free country, from internet regulations to slander laws. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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detourne_me wrote: |
I'm just wondering where these rape shows are that you'e concerned with.
I've seen some Korean movies where it is implied/shown, but those are past 11pm and on cable channels.
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I can't remember exactly where or when I've seen it to be honest. It was probably after 11 pm and just like everyone else I have cable TV. I'm pretty sure some of these shows have been sent on the channel "Comedy" and that it can have a comical undertone which is one of the factors which makes it trivialize sexual abuse.
And my point wasn't really that Korean TV is horrible, but that I think that the motivation behind an action can be more serious than the action in itself. Since this thread is about how nudity is considered bad while violent is considered more acceptable I tried to point out that I think rape with clothes on is no better than nude consenting adults. And since rape is closely related to violence I think it is similar to asking why violence is considered more acceptable than nudity. |
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ed
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:54 am Post subject: um |
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the reason is: world overpopulation and monkey see monkey do |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:23 am Post subject: |
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UknowsI wrote: |
And my point wasn't really that Korean TV is horrible, but that I think that the motivation behind an action can be more serious than the action in itself. Since this thread is about how nudity is considered bad while violent is considered more acceptable I tried to point out that I think rape with clothes on is no better than nude consenting adults. And since rape is closely related to violence I think it is similar to asking why violence is considered more acceptable than nudity. |
Rape is not just related to violence, it is a type of violence. So is prostitution, if there is a pimp involved (and there almost always is).
But back to the question: Nudity and consensual sex are embarrassing for the viewer. Fighting is not. |
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