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DrugstoreCowgirl
Joined: 08 May 2009 Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: Are Korean Kids...Slow? |
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I am seriously beginning to wonder if Korean kids are slow learners or something. I've tried so hard to find activities for the kids to do, whether it's a game or a worksheet, and the teachers just say it will be too hard for the kids and we can't do it. The most recent incident was over a worksheet where all you had to do is find the differences between two pictures (The ghost is on the bed, the ghost is under the bed. The ghost is on the couch, the ghost is behind the couch. etc.) I suggested doing a Jeopardy game with house vocabulary like 'sink' or 'oven' since my teachers seem to think the kids don't know anything, but then they said it would be too easy.
I am pulling my hair out, I just don't understand how EVERYTHING can be either too hard or too easy.
And anytime I suggest a worksheet, they want them to work in pairs because working alone is too hard.
Am I alone in thinking that sometimes school work SHOULD be hard so you actually have to think and learn new things? |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| They're not slow.They just like to play possam to the NET hoping he/she will dumb the class down and play lots of games. Classic behavour of false beginners. Lots of time the KET teacher will go along with it becouse they are indifferent about what happens in conversation class. |
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andrewchon

Joined: 16 Nov 2008 Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| O Pharmacy-jilleroo, what level thou dost teach? |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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They are not slow OP.
It's the Korean teachers. They are so scared fo parents complaining even at public school these days that they don't push the kids at all.
I'd advise you to ignore your co-teacher and keep on trying.
Also most Korean kids have ABISMAL study skills. I always spend the first two weeks teaching through games and listen and reapeat - STUDY SKILLS such as classroom instructions, hoow to point and follow texts we are studying for listen and repat exercises etc, how to pay attention and watch me when I talk etc... Otherwise they just vacantly stare around and mouth things unsure of what they mean... One important thing is teaching them what 'point' means and then I'll say, page 4, point to exercise A, point to number 1. Rabbit, rabbit etc...' so they gewt used to knowing where to focus and how to focus
Try and get a few classes without a Korean co-teacher.
I swear once I start getting the kids clued up on how to actually study and follow what is going on in the classroom and push them to try new things when they shake their heads and them and their teachers both say it's 'too difficult' - I get amazing results and bizarely I often find the naughtiest and seemingly stuupidest studetns tend to turn around and become the brightest and best, which is odd.... |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Are Korean Kids...Slow? |
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| DrugstoreCowgirl wrote: |
I am seriously beginning to wonder if Korean kids are slow learners or something. I've tried so hard to find activities for the kids to do, whether it's a game or a worksheet, and the teachers just say it will be too hard for the kids and we can't do it. The most recent incident was over a worksheet where all you had to do is find the differences between two pictures (The ghost is on the bed, the ghost is under the bed. The ghost is on the couch, the ghost is behind the couch. etc.) I suggested doing a Jeopardy game with house vocabulary like 'sink' or 'oven' since my teachers seem to think the kids don't know anything, but then they said it would be too easy.
I am pulling my hair out, I just don't understand how EVERYTHING can be either too hard or too easy.
And anytime I suggest a worksheet, they want them to work in pairs because working alone is too hard.
Am I alone in thinking that sometimes school work SHOULD be hard so you actually have to think and learn new things? |
Don't listen to the teachers. They don't know anything. Try in the classroom, if it doesn't work than it doesn't work. The Korean teachers are only saying that cause they don't want to look bad.
I played bingo with vocabulary words in one of my classes. The teacher kept complaining this is the lowest level class in the school. They can't do it. 50 minutes later. Not only did the kids learn the words. But, they could also draw pictures of their meanings and use them properly in sentences. Next week they had a vocabulary quiz and that class aced it.
Now that teacher is doing a bunch of petty nonsense trying to disrupt my classes.
OP, its not the kids. It's the teachers |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| OP, its not the kids. It's the teachers |
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gillod
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Teachers always think the kids are dumber than they are. I still have to kind of aim low, but \my kids usually impress. I had them writing full sentences in 4th grade when I got a new co-teacher. My new co-teacher said, "We need to test them! It will take 30 minutes!" and tried to test them with a worksheet a mealworm could have aced. They blew right through it and one of my kids said- "Teacher, you think we dumb?". |
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DrugstoreCowgirl
Joined: 08 May 2009 Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
| O Pharmacy-jilleroo, what level thou dost teach? |
I teach grades 3-6 in elementary. Obviously 3rd and 4th graders can't do too much yet, but I really think the older kids are extremely able to do the worksheets I've found. But then that goes back to the whole "we don't want the kids doing work independently, they must be in pairs". It's very frustrating sometimes! |
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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No, it's the vapid public education system. I think PS has pretty much capitulated to the hagwon industry in terms of teaching these kids their core subjects. The English curriculum is pretty much a joke. Everything usually has to be supplemented with handouts. My younger students are sharper than the older ones because many have had English kindie and hagwon lessons early on.
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Teddycakes21
Joined: 18 Oct 2009
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: RE: |
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"Are Korean Kids...Slow?"
The fat ones are slow. You could easily nail them with water balloons or something if they tried to run. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| No, it's the vapid public education system. I think PS has pretty much capitulated to the hagwon industry in terms of teaching these kids their core subjects. |
I hear ya. My last elementary school co-teacher told me in fact that parents in Korea these days respect HAKWANS more than PUBLIC SCHOOLS!!! Not just English, but all subjects.
Boy those hakwan marketing people have done a bloody good job.
She also told me that many teachers don't take the job seriously anymore as the parents don't really respect them like they used to and complain about them all the time, so most teachers take the job because of the job security and decent pension at the end etc.... Most of them just want an easy life and to be popular with the studetns.
Hence they want us to just play games all the time and not too push the kids - it makes THEM unpopular...!
This country is about to unleash upon itself the worst generation of spoilt bratlings their nation has ever seen. |
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DrugstoreCowgirl
Joined: 08 May 2009 Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: RE: |
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| Teddycakes21 wrote: |
"Are Korean Kids...Slow?"
The fat ones are slow. You could easily nail them with water balloons or something if they tried to run. |
Not gonna lie, that made me laugh out loud in the office. I have a few kids who would get hit if I tried. |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Korean kids are just normal kids who are either stuck with learning a subject like English that they hate, can't be bothered learning or they like to play dumb and thus avoid responsibility or a loss of face. Take into consideration that there is a silent period that language learners have to wade through before they can start speaking. I find this is often the case with my elementary kids. When they stare or look dumbfounded, keep this absorption period in mind and work with it. I find when I throw the occasional tough activity into the mix of mindless simplicity, lots of them are up to the challenge. |
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Teddycakes21
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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These people sure like their snacks!
Eat eat slurp slurp munch munch crunch crunch... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Are Korean Kids...Slow? |
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| DrugstoreCowgirl wrote: |
| I am seriously beginning to wonder if Korean kids are slow learners or something. I've tried so hard to find activities for the kids to do, whether it's a game or a worksheet, and the teachers just say it will be too hard for the kids and we can't do it... T? |
Usually it's the case that it's too hard for the teachers (as in they have to do some actual work). I know kids that would blow most of the teachers here away in terms of English skills. |
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