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df1983
Joined: 15 Aug 2009
Location: Pyongtaek, Korea
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 Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:26 am Post subject: Switching jobs |
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I was wondering how one would go about switching jobs if you really wanted to. I am having a real problem with a hagwon I recently started at. I know that I will probably have to pay back the airline ticket money and put in a thirty day notice... (which is stated in my contract)... I have heard that the hagwon can make switching visas a living hell for people. I want to find another job before putting in notice. This way I have something waiting for me rather than just going at it with no direction. The place I work is becoming more and more ridiculous as the days go by and people who don't even work at our school come down from Seoul daily to boss us all around and get us to do things we NEVER agreed to do nor was stated in our contract..... Like working 12 1/2 hour days Monday, Wednesday, and Friday by doing split shifts and taking a bus to a nearby town to teach in a city hall that apparently is generously giving my company 500000 dollars (my company is telling us we are not allowed to say no to them).... This is just the beggining and I'll spare you the rest.
How would one switch jobs if you really were fed up. Is the process simple or a nightmare? I will put in notice and go through the proper procedure as stated in my contract. Will I have to do a Visa run? |
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df1983
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: bump |
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OculisOrbis
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df1983
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: OK |
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| So i'll be banned for two years just for trying to switch jobs? Seems a bit extreme. The company I wok for violates many of the immigration rules and labor laws. |
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OculisOrbis
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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You wont be banned, but it may become more difficult to find a job with an incomplete contract on your resume.
You are being made to work illegally when your employer forces you to teach at a different school. You can work only at the address of the workplace that sponsored your visa - it's on your Alien Card.
To just transfer jobs without a visa run, you need to have completed 75% of your contract and you need a letter of release from your current employer (which they are not required to give you) and you must have a new job lined up (there can be no gaps between jobs if you wish to transfer). You will need to provide some documents for this.
To get a new visa, your old visa must be canceled first. Your employer is supposed to cancel your visa as soon as you are no longer employed by them, but that doesnt mean they will. If they dont cancel the visa, you will not be issued a new visa until your current visa expires - by that i mean, the expiry date on your ARC has been reached.
You can leave the country and turn in your ARC telling immi that you are finished and request they cancel your visa. They are supposed to cancel it, but that doesnt guarantee that they will. Assuming your current visa got cancelled, you can now apply for a new visa by starting the process from the beginning with a new, complete set of documents.
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Oculis orbis is being sensational, missleading and unrealistic OP.
Just quit and give full notice. Leave on good terms and get a release letter.
No probs.
I and friends have done this many times with no issues whatsoever. Just tell new or prospewctive employer that you felt the conditions at the last gig were not condusive to giving your best to your studetn's education and that you and former employer mutually decided to end your business relationship on good terms...
Please ignore all the nonsense which constitutes all the other replies you've had so far. |
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OculisOrbis
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
Oculis orbis is being sensational, missleading and unrealistic OP.
Just quit and give full notice. Leave on good terms and get a release letter.
No probs.
Yes, because an already difficult employer will happily give you an LOR when you quit and leave them without a teacher. Korean employers are known for their understanding and fair treatment  ...............Good luck with that because they are NOT required to provide you a letter - it's their choice and you must have it to transfer.
I and friends have done this many times with no issues whatsoever. Just tell new or prospective employer that you felt the conditions at the last gig were not conducive to giving your best to your student's education and that you and former employer mutually decided to end your business relationship on good terms...
Congratulations to you and your friends. I said 'MAY become more difficult' - implying that SOME employers MIGHT not view an uncompleted contract as a desirable item on a resume. Your reasons for leaving a job early may be ignored - assuming you even make it to the interview stage. Many employers are understanding about teachers difficulties working here and many will automatically view you as a potential 'problem teacher'.
Please ignore all the nonsense which constitutes all the other replies you've had so far.
All the other nonsense I provided regarding transferring a visa are guidelines from the immigration website and from speaking to immigration representatives. OP, you take your chances with any advice given on this site, it's up to you what you choose to pay attention to. Do your own research. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, because an already difficult employer will happily give you an LOR when you quit and leave them without a teacher. Korean employers are known for their understanding and fair treatment ...............Good luck with that because they are NOT required to provide you a letter - it's their choice and you must have it to transfer. |
As long as you give notice and go about the whole thing maturely and politely (as already mentioned) - you should get a release letter.
OO - how many people have you knwn in your time here not to be issued release letters?
I've not known one person in 6 years or so myself and I've known some pretty bad teachers... |
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OculisOrbis
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
OO - how many people have you knwn in your time here not to be issued release letters?
I've not known one person in 6 years or so myself and I've known some pretty bad teachers... |
Many. Two just in the last month and one even had her employer tell her should would be put in jail if she returned to korea to try to get another job. She gave, using the civil methods you suggest, more notice than the 30 days required in her contract because of over-taxing, no health insurance, no pension and forced, unpaid overtime - issues that were ignored when mentioned to her director and she was threatened with termination if she pursued it. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| OculisOrbis wrote: |
| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
OO - how many people have you knwn in your time here not to be issued release letters?
I've not known one person in 6 years or so myself and I've known some pretty bad teachers... |
Many. Two just in the last month and one even had her employer tell her should would be put in jail if she returned to korea to try to get another job. She gave, using the civil methods you suggest, more notice than the 30 days required in her contract because of over-taxing, no health insurance, no pension and forced, unpaid overtime - issues that were ignored when mentioned to her director and she was threatened with termination if she pursued it. |
Well, there you go. I even got a release letter once from the guy who fired me illegally, kidnapped me and locked me in an office and didn't pay me for over a month.... Guess it depends on the individual. |
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OculisOrbis
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The point is that whether you are top, bottom or on your knees - there is no guarantee you will get an LOR that you need to transfer to a new employer so be prepared to start the entire application process from the beginning. |
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df1983
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Location: Pyongtaek, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:11 am Post subject: Visa |
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| So would I have to get all of the documents again from the states and start the whole process over again? Or would I just simply transfer the Visa to the new school? Would I have to do a Visa run when I get the LOR? Will the new employer help me with this considering they don't have to pay for airfare to fly me over? |
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OculisOrbis
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:18 am Post subject: |
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To just transfer jobs without a visa run, you need to have completed 75% of your contract and you need a letter of release from your current employer (which they are not required to give you) and you must have a new job lined up (there can be no gaps between jobs if you wish to transfer). You will need to provide some documents for this.
To get a new visa, your old visa must be canceled first. Your employer is supposed to cancel your visa as soon as you are no longer employed by them, but that doesnt mean they will. If they dont cancel the visa, you will not be issued a new visa until your current visa expires - by that i mean, the expiry date on your ARC has been reached.
You can leave the country and turn in your ARC telling immi that you are finished and request they cancel your visa. They are supposed to cancel it, but that doesnt guarantee that they will. Assuming your current visa got cancelled, you can now apply for a new visa by starting the process from the beginning with a new, complete set of documents. |
regarding your new employer, you would have to ask them. if you dont meet the requirements to simply transfer the visa, they usually will provide money for a visa run to japan if you are hired in korea |
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soakitincider
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:03 am Post subject: |
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I've done it twice. 60,000 a pop. Need l.o.r and new boss to go with you. Be nice, kiss up and you're in. If one place says no, try another.  |
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df1983
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:54 am Post subject: switch |
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OK, so if I am only 1 month into my contract I can't transfer the visa or can I.... By the way the job just got more hellacious today when the bomb was dropped that we do not get to choose our vacation days and our days are going to be random thursday's and tuesdays.
I really want to switch to public schools... Is this possible in December?
Anyone know of a person to contact or a good recruiter? |
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