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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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 Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:46 am Post subject: The Kinsey Institute on sex in Korea |
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Found this while doing some research on something or other a few months back. Since sex and gender relations tend to be a big topic on this forum, I thought people might be interested in having a look.
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/ccies/kr.php
It was last updated in 2003, so might be a tad past its best-before date by now. Still, though, almost certainly the most extensive compendium of facts and stats available on this topic, at least in English. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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# �If you don�t beat your woman for three days, she becomes a fox.�
# �If you listen to a woman�s advice, the house comes to ruin; if you don�t listen, the house comes to shame.�
# �If a woman cries, no good luck for three years.�
# �A woman�s mouth is a cheap thing.�
# �You can know in water 1,000 fathoms deep, but you can�t know the mind of a woman.�
# �When wood fire and a woman are stirred up, the outcome is a great misfortune.�
# �Get slapped at the government office; come home and hit your woman.�
# �A bad wife is a grievance for 100 years; bad bean paste is a grievance for one year.�
# �The good-for-nothing daughter-in-law gets sick on the day of ancestral sacrifice.�
# �A son-in-law is a guest for 100 years; a daughter-in-law is an eating mouth �til the day she dies.� |
I thought Al Bundy was bad!   |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Some of the info is quite disturbing. There some pretty medieval attitudes towards sex here. I already knew people believe in retarded shite but I didn't know to what extent.
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Despite the effort of educating Koreans about the meaning and function of the hymen, the existence of an intact hymen is still highly valued at marriage so that hymen reconstruction and plastic surgery is frequently popular |
I thought this only happened in fundamentalist Muslim societies.
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| In the 1960s, South Koreans adopted circumcision with a passion, but also with some differences. |
Lulz I was a "victim" of this passion, only to find out years later the reasoning was bullshit. Seems like circumcision is another outlet for Korean fanaticism along with Christianity, anti-American protests, and the beef protests.
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Another reason Korean doctors cite in recommending circumcision is their claim that South Korean men have a gene that causes penile phimosis or �abundant foreskin.� In their view, at least 90% of Korean men have �too much� foreskin. Strangely, there is no evidence of this alleged genotype for phimosis among South Koreans |
*Shakes head*
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As mentioned below, there is a law against informing adolescents about homosexuality and, in mental health settings, it is easy for lesbian and gay adolescents to be diagnosed as having either sexual maturation disorder, egodystonic orientation, or sexual relationship disorder. |
Some truly backwards crock of bull, but the bolded part disturbs me the most.
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| In July 2001, the Ministry of Information and Communications adopted an Internet content-rating system classifying gay and lesbian websites as �harmful media� that must be blocked on all public computer facilities accessible to youth. Homosexuality is classified under the category of �obscenity and perversion� in the Criteria for Indecent Internet Sites |
Wow just wow. I'm waiting for the day when free thought and freedom of expression becomes deemed "harmful." Well, maybe it already is.
This probably disturbs me the most.
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| according to the Korean Institute of Criminology (1998), the report rate for sexual assaults was estimated to be only 6.1% of actual incidents |
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| Chang (2000) noted that sexual assaulters experienced no guilt for their behavior, believing that sexual violence may occur accidentally as an expression of a natural uncontrollable sexual urge of men. This conception leads men to look at rape as a kind of sexual act, rather than a crime infringing on a woman�s body and personality. An interesting legal aspect in sexual violence is that current law does not allow a victim to file a suit against her father, leaving some incest victims with no means to their rights. |
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Khenan
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| A long read, but interesting... thanks. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Electron cloud
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I simply CANNOT wait for Komeritroll's response to this one.... |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
| I simply CANNOT wait for Komeritroll's response to this one.... |
Troll. 
Here's what the Kinsey report had to say about the US:
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/ccies/us.php
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| Punishment of Rapists. The typical punishment for rapists is no penalty, given that most rapes are not reported to the police (Koss et al. 1988; Russell 1984). Even those that are reported rarely result in arrest and conviction (Allison & Wrightsman 1993). Among those who are convicted of rape, punishment varies from merely being placed on parole to life in prison. |
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# �If you don�t beat your woman for three days, she becomes a fox.�
# �If you listen to a woman�s advice, the house comes to ruin; if you don�t listen, the house comes to shame.�
# �If a woman cries, no good luck for three years.�
# �A woman�s mouth is a cheap thing.�
# �You can know in water 1,000 fathoms deep, but you can�t know the mind of a woman.�
# �When wood fire and a woman are stirred up, the outcome is a great misfortune.�
# �Get slapped at the government office; come home and hit your woman.�
# �A bad wife is a grievance for 100 years; bad bean paste is a grievance for one year.�
# �The good-for-nothing daughter-in-law gets sick on the day of ancestral sacrifice.�
# �A son-in-law is a guest for 100 years; a daughter-in-law is an eating mouth �til the day she dies.� |
I thought Al Bundy was bad! |
These ancient sayings about married women are of course not very relevant to modern day Korea and originated in pre-industrial agricultural korea. Just look at all the rural references, lol. But Korea haters love to bring this up all the time.
In contrast look at the so called enlightened West. Looks like the laws in the US aren't that enlightened when it comes to married women according to the same Kinsey Report on the US:
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| Prior to the 1970s, rape laws in the U.S. included a �marital exclusion,� exempting husbands from being charged with raping their wives. ... In some states...laws still define rape between spouses more narrowly than rape between nonspouses, giving married women less legal protection than unmarried women. Furthermore, some state laws still treat rape less seriously if it occurs between two people who have previously engaged in consensual sex (X 1994). |
Keep in mind folks that often the US had very strict laws not only on rape but a host of other violations because of the fear of the black man. In the past most of the people getting convicted were black males. White women were married to white men of course which explains this "marital exclusion". |
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GreenlightmeansGO
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not taking swipes at Korea, but, really, saying 'America is bad, too!' is hardly an argument to say that 'Korea isn't so bad'. What's the problem with acknowledging Korea's shortcomings and trying to educate some people? I'm probably going to be in this country a long time and I, particularly, don't want to live in a place where people think that homosexuality is a mental disorder. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Electron cloud
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| GreenlightmeansGO wrote: |
| I'm not taking swipes at Korea, but, really, saying 'America is bad, too!' is hardly an argument to say that 'Korea isn't so bad'. What's the problem with acknowledging Korea's shortcomings and trying to educate some people? I'm probably going to be in this country a long time and I, particularly, don't want to live in a place where people think that homosexuality is a mental disorder. |
The whole pointing the finger to detract attention is one of Komeritroll's disengenious trolling tactics.
He can never discuss the issue at hand without saying -
'But look at X country! They're the same!' Or 'but it's X country's fault!'
That seems to be his main (and Korea's often) mode of discourse rather than actually owning up to a problem at hand and talking solutions... |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'm probably going to be in this country a long time and I, particularly, don't want to live in a place where people think that homosexuality is a mental disorder.
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Well, I don't know how old you are, but I had been alive for about seven years before homosexuality was declassified as a mental disorder in the US(and possibly other countries as well).
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In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives followed in 1975.[1]
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Maybe to you youngsters(heh heh), 1975 might seem like ancient history. Not so much to me. So I wouldn't say that Korean attitudes on that regard are all THAT comparatively retro.
But yes, you also do have the influence of Confucianism on family life over here, which is a factor we don't have in the west.
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Ethan Allen Hawley
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Double posting. This one deleted. See the following.
Last edited by Ethan Allen Hawley on Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:37 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Ethan Allen Hawley
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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I'm probably going to be in this country a long time and I, particularly, don't want to live in a place where people think that homosexuality is a mental disorder.
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Well, I don't know how old you are, but I had been alive for about seven years before homosexuality was declassified as a mental disorder in the US(and possibly other countries as well).
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In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives followed in 1975.[1]
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Maybe to you youngsters(heh heh), 1975 might seem like ancient history. Not so much to me. So I wouldn't say that Korean attitudes on that regard are all THAT comparatively retro.
But yes, you also do have the influence of Confucianism on family life over here, which is a factor we don't have in the west.
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I was alive for ... many years before discrimination against people according to sexual orientation was made illegal in 1986. ... For all the apparent good it's done, there are still obvious issues 'we' are dealing with in my first home country:
http://business.scoop.co.nz/2009/10/19/report-gay-youth-face-serious-health-challenges/
In other words, 'we' still have a long, long way to go in truly looking after all our brothers and sisters, 누나, 옵바, 여동생 and 동생 here in my new home country, whatever their preferred gender of partner. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| komerican wrote: |
| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
| I simply CANNOT wait for Komeritroll's response to this one.... |
Troll.
Here's what the Kinsey report had to say about the US:
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/ccies/us.php
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| Punishment of Rapists. The typical punishment for rapists is no penalty, given that most rapes are not reported to the police (Koss et al. 1988; Russell 1984). Even those that are reported rarely result in arrest and conviction (Allison & Wrightsman 1993). Among those who are convicted of rape, punishment varies from merely being placed on parole to life in prison. |
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# �If you don�t beat your woman for three days, she becomes a fox.�
# �If you listen to a woman�s advice, the house comes to ruin; if you don�t listen, the house comes to shame.�
# �If a woman cries, no good luck for three years.�
# �A woman�s mouth is a cheap thing.�
# �You can know in water 1,000 fathoms deep, but you can�t know the mind of a woman.�
# �When wood fire and a woman are stirred up, the outcome is a great misfortune.�
# �Get slapped at the government office; come home and hit your woman.�
# �A bad wife is a grievance for 100 years; bad bean paste is a grievance for one year.�
# �The good-for-nothing daughter-in-law gets sick on the day of ancestral sacrifice.�
# �A son-in-law is a guest for 100 years; a daughter-in-law is an eating mouth �til the day she dies.� |
I thought Al Bundy was bad! |
These ancient sayings about married women are of course not very relevant to modern day Korea and originated in pre-industrial agricultural korea. Just look at all the rural references, lol. But Korea haters love to bring this up all the time.
In contrast look at the so called enlightened West. Looks like the laws in the US aren't that enlightened when it comes to married women according to the same Kinsey Report on the US:
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| Prior to the 1970s, rape laws in the U.S. included a �marital exclusion,� exempting husbands from being charged with raping their wives. ... In some states...laws still define rape between spouses more narrowly than rape between nonspouses, giving married women less legal protection than unmarried women. Furthermore, some state laws still treat rape less seriously if it occurs between two people who have previously engaged in consensual sex (X 1994). |
Keep in mind folks that often the US had very strict laws not only on rape but a host of other violations because of the fear of the black man. In the past most of the people getting convicted were black males. White women were married to white men of course which explains this "marital exclusion". |
Excuse me, can you please provide links and page/section numbers to the above mentioned American Kinsey Report, and a source for your comments on marital exclusion, i.e.:
8. Significant and Unconventional Behaviors
A. Coercive Sex
"It is very difficult to ascertain the actual frequency of sexual violence in Korea. According to the Korean Institute of Criminology (1998), the report rate for sexual assaults was estimated to be only 6.1% of actual incidents, whereas the rate in the advanced countries is around 30 to 40%. In 1998, the sexual violence counseling centers under the Ministry of Health and Welfare reported around 25,000 cases of sexual violence, which was twice the incidence in 1997. Of these cases, 33.5% involved rape; 21.9% involved physical sexual harassment, and the rest were about verbal sexual abuse. However, only 3.6% of the victims reported the incident to the police (Korean Institute for Health and Social Welfare 1999).
The Korean Sexual Violence Relief Center (1999) reported that 95% of the victims are women (assaulters are mostly men) and 73% of the assaulters are acquaintances of their victims, who range in age from the teens to the 70s. Thirty percent of the victims are children under the age of 13, with 50% under the age of 19. Chang (2000) noted that sexual assaulters experienced no guilt for their behavior, believing that sexual violence may occur accidentally as an expression of a natural uncontrollable sexual urge of men. This conception leads men to look at rape as a kind of sexual act, rather than a crime infringing on a woman�s body and personality. An interesting legal aspect in sexual violence is that current law does not allow a victim to file a suit against her father, leaving some incest victims with no means to their rights."
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/ccies/kr.php
Thank you. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe I missed it, but I was surprised to see nothing on closet homosexuality, which seems rampant in Korea. I saw a documentary a week ago about Korean peace keeping troops and they showed all the guys showering together and scrubbing eachother's chests. |
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daemyann
Joined: 09 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| It's important to take all of the info with with a giant grain of salt. All the same, thanks for a very interesting link. |
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Xuanzang
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| Maybe I missed it, but I was surprised to see nothing on closet homosexuality, which seems rampant in Korea. I saw a documentary a week ago about Korean peace keeping troops and they showed all the guys showering together and scrubbing eachother's chests. |
All part of jeong (정) isn't it? |
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