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Summer Wine
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 Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject: 'White enclaves' get cash to combat extremism |
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LONDON - Hundreds of "white enclaves" across Britain have been chosen to receive special funding from the Government in an effort to curb the spread of racist extremism among the working classes.
Ministers are to spend �12 million ($25.7 million) reassuring 130 "traditional communities" that immigrants and non-white residents are not unfairly taking their jobs and houses.
The community initiative follows growing concerns that extremist groups such as the British National Party are feeding on fears and myths that the white working classes are victims of social injustice.
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I am not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing, as it doesn't really seem to be dealing with the real problem.
Which is fast and massive social change in communities. |
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mises
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A better policy would be to respect the desire of the British population for the rate of immigration to be slowed or halted. Until that happens (or if) the natives will become increasingly restless. The UK economy is in more trouble than even the American. We shouldn't have to talk about this. A sensible government would behave sensibly.
http://www.migrationwatchuk.com/pressReleases/23-July-2009
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July 23, 2009
New immigration polls find nearly 80% of the British public, even in his own constituency, think the Home Secretary is �out of touch�
70% of Labour voters in Britain want a sharp cut in immigration
78% of voters in Alan Johnson�s own co
New opinion polls, published today, show the Home Secretary is clearly out of touch with the public. Last week Alan Johnson told a House of Commons Committee that �he does not lie awake at night� worrying that the population of the UK will reach 70 million and that he would not put a cap on the number of immigrants settling in the UK.
A YouGov opinion poll, conducted shortly afterwards for think tank Migrationwatch, shows that his views are completely at odds with the vast majority of the population:
- 81% are worried (45% of which are �very worried�) about the prospect of a population of 70 million in 2028. - 78% say that Alan Johnson is out of touch with people like them.
- 76% want to see net immigration cut from its present level of 237,000 a year to 50,000 or less a year. Of that 76%, 32% want to see a policy of �one in, one out� while 22% want to see no immigration at all.
The party affiliations are also of interest:
- 90% of Conservative voters are worried (55% very worried) about a population of 70 million. For Labour voters it was 70% worried (29% very worried). Lib Dems were higher at 76% (38% very worried).
- 65% of Labour voters think he is out of touch with them, as do 71% of Lib Dems and 90% of Conservatives.
- A sharp cut in immigration (to 50,000 a year or less) was supported by 85% of Conservative, 70% of Labour[1] and 65% of Lib Dem voters.
The ORB poll of voters in Alan Johnson�s own constituency found that:
- 80% of voters thought that Alan Johnson was �out of touch� on immigration
- 85% were concerned that 7 million of the 10 million increase will be as a result of immigration
- 83% want to see net immigration reduced to 50,000 a year or less
- 80% of voters thought that immigration is putting too much strain on public services.
- 78% of voters opposed his general attitude to immigration and population
- 73% are concerned that Britain is losing its own identity and culture
- 69% of voters were concerned that, over the next 20 years or so, the population of the UK will rise by more than 10 million, from 61 million today to over 70 million.
Mr Johnson�s approach to immigration, and his policy, has little support among Labour voters in his constituency. Of his constituents who said that they would vote Labour at the next election:
- 63% were concerned that 7 million of the 10 million increase will be as a result of immigration
- 56% of potential Labour voters thought that Alan Johnson was �out of touch� on immigration
- 58% of potential Labour voters opposed his general attitude to immigration and population.
Commenting, Sir Andrew Green, Chairman of Migrationwatch said: �The new Home Secretary and the Prime Minister are hopelessly out of touch with the mood of the nation on this issue.
�This is not just about a �cap� on immigration. It is about the future of our country.
�Failure to cut immigration back to the level of the early nineties will result in our population going to 70 then 80 million and beyond as immigration is the main driver of population growth.
�In many parts of Britain the public are seething with resentment at the total failure of the political class to take seriously their deep concerns about the impact of immigration on the future of our country,� he said. |
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blade
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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A better policy would be to respect the desire of the British population for the rate of immigration to be slowed or halted. Until that happens (or if) the natives will become increasingly restless. The UK economy is in more trouble than even the American. We shouldn't have to talk about this. A sensible government would behave sensibly.
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The natives are always restless. Back in the 80's and 90's it was nearly a crime to be Irish in the UK. |
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zipper
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Money for the �white enclaves� I always thought that the Polish immigrants were also white.
If everyone was economically secured, then I doubt there would be a big problem.
But when one steps back and looks at the amount of immigration coming in from non-white European countries, it makes one wonder if this chant is true, �Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians and White countries for everybody!� I actually picked this up from some ultra conservative site I visited a couple of months ago. I think the site belongs to a �Bob Whitman� or something, I am not sure. But if you are looking at the ants from above, it sure looks like it. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Money for the �white enclaves� I always thought that the Polish immigrants were also white.
If everyone was economically secured, then I doubt there would be a big problem.
But when one steps back and looks at the amount of immigration coming in from non-white European countries, it makes one wonder if this chant is true, �Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians and White countries for everybody!� I actually picked this up from some ultra conservative site I visited a couple of months ago. I think the site belongs to a �Bob Whitman� or something, I am not sure. But if you are looking at the ants from above, it sure looks like it. |
North America is for everybody too. It's not just for red people anymore! |
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zipper
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Money for the �white enclaves� I always thought that the Polish immigrants were also white.
If everyone was economically secured, then I doubt there would be a big problem.
But when one steps back and looks at the amount of immigration coming in from non-white European countries, it makes one wonder if this chant is true, �Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians and White countries for everybody!� I actually picked this up from some ultra conservative site I visited a couple of months ago. I think the site belongs to a �Bob Whitman� or something, I am not sure. But if you are looking at the ants from above, it sure looks like it. |
North America is for everybody too. It's not just for red people anymore! |
Did I mention the word "North America"? I bet ya that even the red people don't appreciate the influx of more non reds invading their country as well. Don't worry though, the US government has more subsidies and alcohol to intoxicate and pacify any red resentment.
And since we are so clever and smart, let�s not forget that the red peoples' chiefs most likely didn�t tell their people that they had to allow the Europeans into their communities and get free benefits, but instead went to war against the Europeans and were soundly defeated. Unlike the European governments forcing their people to accept multi-diversity and using their tax money to subsidize benefits for all the non European immigrants. Yeah, let�s not forget about this.  |
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mises
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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If everyone was economically secured, then I doubt there would be a big problem. |
And what role do you think unskilled immigration has played in creating economic insecurity among the low-end of the working class? |
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zipper
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
Location: Ruben Carter was falsely accused
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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If everyone was economically secured, then I doubt there would be a big problem. |
And what role do you think unskilled immigration has played in creating economic insecurity among the low-end of the working class? |
I would image a very significant role; especially if the economies tail spin into a severe recession. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| A better policy would be to respect the desire of the British population for the rate of immigration to be slowed or halted. |
It definitely shouldn't be halted, but limiting it to skilled, valuable immigrants would probably be quite wise. That's the nice thing about immigrants: you can accept the contributors while rejecting the leeches. Certain countries need to learn that there's nothing racist about saying no to unskilled immigrants. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| A better policy would be to respect the desire of the British population for the rate of immigration to be slowed or halted. |
It definitely shouldn't be halted, but limiting it to skilled, valuable immigrants would probably be quite wise. That's the nice thing about immigrants: you can accept the contributors while rejecting the leeches. Certain countries need to learn that there's nothing racist about saying no to unskilled immigrants. |
I agree. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| zipper wrote: |
If everyone was economically secured, then I doubt there would be a big problem. |
And what role do you think unskilled immigration has played in creating economic insecurity among the low-end of the working class? |
I would image a very significant role; especially if the economies tail spin into a severe recession. |
It it mean. Every society has a large group of almost-unemployable. They use their backs to earn their daily bread. To import a group of people who will work for less is just mean. And it is dangerous.
So it goes. Business wants to pay less for manual labour and political organizations see permanent future majorities. The average almost-unemployable receives cat calls about his ignorance when he speaks about how the situation is lowering his standard of living. Divide and conquer. |
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zipper
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| zipper wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
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If everyone was economically secured, then I doubt there would be a big problem. |
And what role do you think unskilled immigration has played in creating economic insecurity among the low-end of the working class? |
I would image a very significant role; especially if the economies tail spin into a severe recession. |
It it mean. Every society has a large group of almost-unemployable. They use their backs to earn their daily bread. To import a group of people who will work for less is just mean. And it is dangerous.
So it goes. Business wants to pay less for manual labour and political organizations see permanent future majorities. The average almost-unemployable receives cat calls about his ignorance when he speaks about how the situation is lowering his standard of living. Divide and conquer. |
I agree. The conservatives have always supported the importation of cheap labor, and the socialist support it, because it brings in the votes. Furthermore, I don't agree on immigration of high end labor either, because it often results in tag immigration and as the foreign born population grows, so does cultural conflicts. However, I would support specialized guest workers, but not before consideration is given to the citizens of said country. I work here in Korea as a guest English teacher, and I have no desire whatsoever to immigrate here, and as far as I am concerned that is the way it ought to be. So there you have it. You have just pulled me out of the closet. |
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mises
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I agree with the general theme of this:
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=6554
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Moscow, October 16, Interfax � Renowned Islamologist Roman Silantyev believes that experience of migration policy in the Persian Gulf countries is useful for Russia.
�Migrants make the majority of population in some of these countries, but they don�t have problems with enclaves, skinheads and interethnic tensions. They just don�t give citizenship to people who don�t have any profession useful for them, who don�t want to adopt Islam and fully integrate in the society,� the religious expert said in his interview published by the Izvestia daily on Friday.
According to him, the most important thing is that those Muslim countries �almost don�t have criminality. Every offence is punished with deportation.�
�No secret, today not the best representatives of their nations come to us. I often visit Azerbaijan and always wonder, people who live in Baku are absolutely different from those who come to work in Russia,� Silantyev said.
He is convinced that �we need to attract elite in the country, educated people with fluent Russian.� |
Good stuff. Treat citizenship properly. Not like free candy. |
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zipper
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| According to him, the most important thing is that those Muslim countries �almost don�t have criminality. Every offence is punished with deportation.� |
Might be a good thing for Western countries as well... |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| It definitely shouldn't be halted, but limiting it to skilled, valuable immigrants would probably be quite wise. That's the nice thing about immigrants: you can accept the contributors while rejecting the leeches. Certain countries need to learn that there's nothing racist about saying no to unskilled immigrants. |
Agreed. I think it was smart for Britain to allow Mohamed Fayed to bring a lot of money and provide jobs to thousands of British citizens and help pay the welfare costs of the British who don't work. But to bring in penniless immigrants these days when unemployment is soaring and competition for jobs is high doesn't make sense. |
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